Rothbard's Systematic Defense of Liberty | Joseph R. Stromberg

more than any other contemporary intellectual Murray Rothbard stood in the Massassi and tradition of economics yet he knew that an intellectual enterprise is an ongoing affair scholars must build new insights upon the foundations of the masters of the past without renting them asunder from the best traditions in economics and political philosophy brought bar directed a theory of liberty each year we commemorate his achievements with the murray rothbard memorial lecture we are honored to have Joseph Stromberg deliver this year’s from rothbard memorial lecture mr. Stromberg earned his BA and MA in history from Florida Atlantic University and did further graduate studies in history at the University of Florida he has been a summer fellow at IHS and a Richard Rico Richard Weaver fellow in addition to countless articles on Lew Rockwell calm and mrs. or mr. Stromberg has published in individualists the journal of libertarian studies and libertarian forum among other journals and has contributed to many books including the costs of war the myth of National Defense and secession state and liberty is the author of the introduction to Clyde Wilson’s book from union to empire and the author of the introduction and editor of the scholars edition of Murray Rothbard book man economy and state with power and market mr. Stromberg has held the jo-ann be wroth bar chair in history at the ludwig von mises institute since 2000 and is currently working with david gordon on an intellectual biography of murray and Rothbard his topic tonight is rothbard systemic defense of Liberty thank you doctor her burner I was thinking calling this warrior for liberty but I suppose systemic defenses equally good thus no one’s mentioned this yet but this is a twentieth of March so it’s either the exact day or it’s very close to the one year mark of the excellent adventure in Iraq this is sort of circumstance it makes one wish Murray were still alive Murray would not have liked this but he would have written a major article every day or so about it and put it reached a dream large audience with the internet these days not to mention of course the kind of film reviews he might be doing today and in fact the circumstance that this is an anniversary of that sort reminds me of an article Murray wrote than the form of hyperbole in the September 1994 Rothbart Rockwell report which was called invade the world but some of you read this it’s this on the list by the way it’s the trend out of the rut board archives that Lew Rockwell com we’re gradually getting a very large number of his classic rock board articles online so this was sort of hyperbole that given the way the neo comes were writing about foreign policy they might as well call for invading the world well the problem is you can’t it’s not safe to satirize these people it’s dangerous to make this sort of suggestion somehow they will actually think of this and then they’ll want to invade the entire world so perhaps it was unwise but still it bears reading now because it seems to be the formal basis of the present foreign policy now um there’s no saying that we stand on the shoulders of giants and see farther and not having Bartlett’s and the as David Gordon the source of this statement he says it’s very old it goes well back into the the Middle Ages possibly so I can’t attribute to anyone but Bravo certainly did this he knew his predecessors war and he also found areas in which he thought he could extend their work he could improve upon and do something original but without any kind of vanity that he was doing at all and this is his relationship to meeses he realized how fundamental mazes work had been to his but he did see areas where you could take things a bit further and what do we say about rothbard leaving aside all those sorts night comments people have made because they don’t understand that there are such things as

poem as well Robert was an economist he was an economic historian he was the general historian he was the historian of ideas he was a political theorist and he’s a philosopher I’m picking and rest of course and being able to apply ethics he’s the founder of a number of publications editor goes on original thinker and then someone able to synthesize from the wide range of related fields in a systematic way it’s not a collecting Roth word system was not like you go to the junkyard and you find old mufflers and exhaust pipes and you weld them into some thing you call arch he had a certain I did when he started and what a synthesis would look like what sorts of parts would be compatible and proceeded longer ease lines what are the elements of the system well to be fairly brief they are among other things Aristotelian epistemology some notion of natural law and the not unrelated notion of some kind of natural rights of rational ethic which he found lacking in both mazes and writers like Russell Kirk Austrian economic theory and a foundation that comes out of classical liberalism but in his view went beyond and important areas individualist anarchism largely an American phenomenon the course also including the congregation of Gustav Devon re and related to this a sort of critical sociology of states and again for obvious reasons revisionist history and sucking to David about this trying to think it was one element if you pulled it out with the whole edifice collapse and we can’t think of one one no one it turned out to be wrong you would say well that’s not a big problem because this isn’t the kind of synthesis it depends on something like a labor theory of value and if they could be refuted you’d have a huge problem so nonetheless we cursory some of us tend to think that these elements are pretty good as they are I mean suppose it turned out through some fine point of revisionist history that could be refuted it doesn’t do much to the overall sort of thing Roth word was about so he took from a wide range of related fields when we might call me human studies and integrated them into a new critical system what’s his motivation was motivation comes partly from his personality the influence of his father’s political values his immersion and held right movement as soon as you found out there was such a thing about 1946 and then of course his his his inherent drive and ability to synthesize what the old right was kind of implicit not fully worked out let me see if I can just add a few more things along these lines of course you know that there’s at least they’re 20 some books to his credit many hundreds of articles if we had only little ephemeral articles of a thousand words H and any kind of publication that would print him at different times I would probably get into the thousands I think I had the bibliography this is the official bibliography as you print up from the mises org website this runs to about 70 page I find ever so often something that is an inherent just in going through the archives Marie didn’t throw much away so we mice finding a little brief articles that aren’t listed there just in the course of things running across there maybe 10 or 20 now that we need to add to this bibliography so he did a lot of work and he had this energy you know there’s this old saying that people thought that maybe five guys running into the same name to be as productive as he was not as I Gary north and many people have observed he was also fun to be around he had this lively personality a sense of humor he actually enjoyed what he did he was like it’s a sort of the thrill of the chase but also the sense of the cause was being served and eaten when he was angry it was a point to it so it’s very hard to convey where’s personnel effect though those of us who knew him to one degree or another tend to fall into doing imitations which I won’t i won’t do that but there are many people you’ve probably run it run into from time to time will do Rothbard invitation and they might as well quit because no one can top the lane Troy child’s who would do an imitation of Donald Duck doing Rory Rothbard this has

never been surpassed is an art form nonetheless there are people who certainly others it sort of rothbard phraseology that is still in use because well we were used to it and sometimes funny Marie would often refer to someone he doesn’t like because the beloved the beloved dr. Flexner founder of medical intervention and regulation you know this sort of thing yet a number of key phrases that would don’t think of some pro me as I go but a number of key phrases that are peculiarly is picking on the combinations now he sometimes couldn’t find his way into the mainstream journalists they just found a journal and do a good job of that so he founded left and right in the mid sixties he founds the journal libertarian studies at the end of the 1970s and so on and particularly needed an outlet for his writing in the late when 869 he found he started libertarian forum somewhat in the tradition of one of his mentor’s Frank shutter ops analysis which was kind of a broadsheet on oversized paper for pages but a lot of room for articles in those big four pages so he had certainly one of energy and a lot to be thought needed to be accomplished now um and I think 1977 Jerome’s Chile who had been a associative Rothbart’s few years earlier wrote an article in National Review in which he said well libertarianism on prism examination had turned out to be a sort of utopian form of Taft republicanism what’s not tarian true not exactly not a bad observation except that demo to Chile missed at that time was that rut March was making a systematic form of tap republicanism and transcending his origins it seems to me that was the point you know where the old right was going the right direction Rothbart wanted to see what flaws were in their arguments what where it could be improved whether it was economic issues foreign policy whatever it might be now this because the reddit a word started coming up employing a stateless market society some people got the idea that maybe rothbard was some sort of nihilist wild man but again the culturally rut murder is always a virgin and you can see this in articles where he announces his dissatisfaction with the new left and the counterculture which sets in a only a few years after trying to deal with them didn’t take long and so on now he had the sense of long-run optimism that we can say well it’s just strategically we wouldn’t be doing this if we didn’t think we could accomplish something but Murray I think actually had a deeper basis for his optimism or the belief in rationality and the right would prevail now mentioned a few more things we’re here in North versus plainly said that Murray was fun to be around Twitter tisa introducing of all things a book of essays on rock parts contributions the monetary economics says Robert had a sweet personality true enough and people would begin to serve do whatever alfred was doing I mean Wendy McIlroy tells me that she was at some conference or another and Murray would be lounging back in the couch and he was chem it like this and so all the other men present would just unconsciously start doing that because rothberg was doing that I need her to put this in writing but I tend to believe that you know he had said this kind of listen very odd it’s sort of like a low-key charisma but it worked he also think of his use of language hehe go to the reduplication reduplication because his insight was there his feeling was that many words had been debased so if you want to talk about a movie you had to say movie movie meaning a real movie not some recent schlock and then he’s heard having talked about cat cuts which will be a real tax cut not a lowering of an estimated increase of the budget so he had to redo placate from time to time to get his point across and there are others of these may come to mind and I maryville famous for quips I mean I think of maria’s wielding the sword of truth but sometimes it was just the penknife of truth just a little you know one of these for instance of conference

he’s supposed to have said that you to think people would really go to the revolutionary barricades for a reduction in transaction costs and another one which of the jungle and dell has signed on the web there was some discussion of consumers in Rothbart apparently said well what’s the great about consumers any schmuck can consume Leah and another thing Marie characteristically if he was dealing with some standard sort of standard issue status bromide he would say so odd he had this attitude but he would also think on an unleash a little devastating argument after he said so what it wasn’t just opposed now um and the Lord this kind of thing you can find an attribute the tribute book that the me sensitive published not long after Robert’s death quite a number of essays by people who knew him and his thought well Mary had hobbies that was no revolution or public policy advocacy they like chess the light films he liked to do movie reviews his first movie review goes back to it was original a devil in the flesh was it published but he did submit this review of the original devil on the flesh and then a whole series of movie reviews particular libertarian forum and you quickly find out what kind of films Murray thought were movie movies in the I guess it’s 1986 roseburg district justice done aqui discusses at some length the Roberts film criticism and he like German baroque churches you like to study us a conflict factor dr. country and I were just talking about this not everyone likes to study a fake conflict in detail would find out why the you know the ruthenians not like the guys next door ever it is a bit ed found this interesting and then it might be a some importance of political theory to be aware of these that these issues existed who’s interested piccoli always interested have some interest in theology and its implications for other kinds of thought thinking last 15 years of his work he particularly became interested in the types of Protestant theology and the political results of what happens with certain kinds of Protestant thinking in english-speaking countries under certain conditions and even resident in a sort of a range of cultural questions Princeton see has low number of course Vanessa if I Dwight MacDonald which he has extensively marked up and he’s interested in of course see a cow standing interest a long-standing interest in poetry you can go back and find in high school along papers he he wrote on some poets and her certain poets he characters they quoted and as the stylist he loved writers like come gk chesterton and so on he also invented a number of laws which he said were not a pathetically certain but had a high predictive value and one of these laws was no one resigns referring to government bureaucrats and i have a working hypothesis that this came from his knowing Arthur Burns because burns at Benny’s neighbor when he was growing up and then as a Columbia professor is on Roth boards dissertation committee and there’s an incident when Rothbart is one of his jobs is working for the Volcker fund as an analyst reviewing books and they say Robert you listen to these lectures by burns and you’re not supposed to speak here i’ll just take notes and be quiet of course Murray he’s not going to be quiet so apparently this was the 1957 as that is the first instance of the phenomenon of notice noticed case of stagflation okc piloting the the Phillips curve or something and so Maria course ever possibly finally says you know dr. burns what happens of this condition continues as and he says well we don’t have to resign as far as I know he didn’t so this this may be all that Marie didn’t notice the observed much later that after Janet Reno took full responsibility for waco she didn’t resign either there may be other examples on very also famously said that he liked gossip and he thought that gossip really was just the concrete details of history there’s something to that too so he certainly uh I was thinking it’s a bit like very much sort of like what Walt Whitman thought Walt Whitman was but it wasn’t rather made up of multitudes possibly but let me go through and somewhat chronological order go through

a few more things might be of interest than falling the Pettitte implicitly that the book outline that David Gordon iron you just let’s say about Rosberg it has the book okay um very of course some of you and many of you will know add a lot of commies in the family pretty much most of his aunts and uncles were fellow travelers or her communists in the garment district and outstanding exception being Marie’s father who was apparently a bit of a hard head and hated didn’t really enjoy trade unions and strikes and you know pickets and many things thrown at him Mary’s father worked as a chemical analyst at the to the Tidewater oil refinery in bayonne new jersey and her sentencing incident when one of Mary’s friends this is some I suppose about 1940 let me think seven or eight rights to Marie sing some sloppily sentimental liberal thing about trade unions and Murray writes back is a high dudgeon he says see here these people have had my father trapped and imprisoned in the oil refinery for two or three weeks he had to throw food over the fence because a trade union thugs shot ticketing and causing trouble and menacing everyone and apparently the story was interesting enough that Frank judder have asked rock garden to get his dad to give children a full account and children writes this up in his newsletter analysis and april of nineteen forty nine as the front page story the the Bay on strike so Marie came by some of his attitudes directly from his father but again in this made him a kind of a bit exceptional in the school now first of course his first school experience with public school which he hated in a measure Murray Rothbard actually blending well in American public school anyway so once this parents realized he was completely miserable and picked on and so forth they they found him a good private school where he he was much happier but even there he’s basically surrounded by you know left liberals to communist this was the political spectrum our company might be a lot of right-wing soul mates and this in the private school so Murray was sort of on his own but on the other hand he could certainly make the arguments as needed so let’s see I may have do I have anything on his I don’t have that up here but there’s an interesting young inscriptions in his yearbooks his calls didn’t saying well Roth brother you won’t get to punch me in Latin class anymore you know this guy’s graduating I guess or the the female student that says she expects in a few years to see Murray standing up in the Senate yelling about states rights or some such thing people have thought maybe he’d be come a famous historian and that they work far off so that that’s all interesting so of course he’s you know got the capacity and the grades need enrolls in columbia university now remember this is all happening during this great high point of the state we call World War two there’s actually a manpower form they said Rothbart of manpower form you know in case you’d be of some use in the war effort so they had that was supposed to list his special skills that would make him an asset to the state and the war effort if it came to that but I don’t think they really needed hated him desperately so this is the atmosphere this is the high point of statism as Rathbun himself wrote later this is the great peak experience for the left was world war two because they got all their social programs they wanted they got state control of everything they got price controls I almost anything that the progressive could possibly want was possible during the larne they were very happy in the political spectrum is being pushed to the left and so on so at Columbia University it takes a standard set of courses one of things i found done it son had to investigate was what sort of things were they doing at Columbia when Robert was there so I went on to search to find out what the intellectual traditions were in the faculty of political science at Columbia University and there was a very useful written by our Norton Hoxie edited by am in 1955 that just after rothberg did done all was only coursework and the chapters are written by Joseph Dorfman Roberts major professor Samra Martin lips all sorts of people who knew the history of the

ticker departments within the faculty of political science which includes economic statistics I guess history law does all of that and so I found out the genealogy of the sorts of things being taught at Columbia at that time not good big brother got an excellent education but he had to reject pretty much all of their assumptions everything they systematically believed he had to reject all of this because here’s a department that essentially founded by Francis Lieber some of you know too that Ezra Lincoln’s General Orders 100 sort of a quasi Hegelian immigrant to his Lincoln this legal adviser on suppressing the south and laws of war and a kind of posterous framework and he’s succeeded by john w burgess who is interesting but is another interesting character in East Tennessee unionist who became a company and while being a PI this Protestant studied in Germany became an ax galiyon came back to bring these happy ideas about the state to american university life and then helped design the curriculum and so on now over time the whole approach at columbia and department after Department becomes more and more statistical mathematical positivist everything rothberg was skeptical about an end the end him to reject but nonetheless he got a lot of I suppose lot of useful information and they want the currents were and what the debates were at the time he says enough the famous to Walters interview this is called the to Walters interviewed because Walter grinder an altar block tape this interview in December of 1972 he says that when he was at Columbia there was the sort of I’m not logical war going on between the the fading institution was send the new sort of logical positivists and this was the kind of fight that was going on and Percy didn’t find either position exactly appealing so on so so you know the story that one of the courses rothbard takes is that the young George Stigler free market economist who is read the pamphlet I guess with I guess with Friedman felled roost without ceilings or was it ceilings without room sitting wasted attack okay attack on price control listen radical idea this is nobody disbelieves and price controls in this university and this is place I mean how could you disbelieve in price control will see Miss via Cassius so the rubber fence is interesting he notices the template has put out by the foundation for economic education so he immediately writes the letter and then they write back and he’s made a member for a dollar whatever it costs in those days Booker’s Rothbart immediately writes back and saying well you know here’s a bunch of things you could do about a seven page memorandum on strategy okay he’s not Shelly and he’s like he’s like not pushy just as I didn’t even wants to get them out he’s not he’s not being obnoxious he just thinks he’s got some ideas they they might want to take into account there’s a number of interesting things in this in the party she’s remember the world war two is just over the state has push Estelle on the price controls are still on so these things are controversial and then Republican Party sweeps the congressional elections Robert thinks this is that the new deal will be repealed and he writes the famous letter to wonder the Artic papers hailing the impending repeal of the big deal now that the country’s obviously strategically premature but nonetheless he’s discovered the old right by way of a and he’s in touch with Bay and then he begins to learn that there are people or or radical than say stigler so he finds it about Hayek and he’s invited to come to hear some lecturers and any learns that live big on visas of whom he’s hurt by now is actually alive and living in New York and about the store to seminar or has started the seminar so immediately signs up and by then he’s learned that there’s a huge Trudy’s coming out by Mises so he devours them as it was answered all the gaps that when he had studied all the schools of economic theory at Columbia University gotten through the entire graduate program he had thought that the arguments all counseled one another out the institution lyst had good criticisms of other schools those schools had good criticism another good positive theory and he reads the human action and says was obviously the theory he’s been waiting for and again meriem several years before this he’s already proposed critique of the Keynesian model DeFranco drove to run the chowder offs analysis so this is like 47 and they we had like seven pages it’s not the whole essay and there’s letters where he’s pleading with each other of his do I need more space anymore room you can’t just shut up the Keynesian model and knock it down and a short article trying to explain this each other of he’s not it you know interesting guy and great political essayist but not exactly a economic theorist and so he’s on these critical aggressive the theoretical issues they still hasn’t at

that point found the Austrian school well soon as he does read human action immediately rights to reviews one faith of freedom one and Frank children’s analysis and then person known as anna says Ian now he is also working on his dissertation Dorfman and this is the study of the New York Press reaction or the press reaction to the panic of 1819 but now he’s good you know he’s found a theory that help explain this all better and so we work in dissertation and I’m going to go through the whole man economy state thing because there’s a web article and there’s I think it’s by now I suppose the whole introduction is to the new addition it is online to some of the book is available so we’ll go through all that but devices they run for is not afraid to take on oh man full major projects at one time I been a dissertation to finish she starts in economic treaties he’s already got an idea for a book in the Great Depression he’s got all sorts of projects Bonnie’s mind at one time and then can work on them simultaneously and he points this out in the course of writing man economy estate that very often he’s got three chapters several chapters going at one time and as he develops them he’ll see that while something can be moved and there’s some interrelationship that some more clear as he works on more than one topic more or less the same period of time so he starts writing popular articles for the bold right political publications like Faith and Freedom enhanced have a pseudonym he fills yesterday of a pseudonym because these is or not really the sort of thing they want Colombian economist sign associated with so they comforted with Jonathan Randolph just once they didn’t know I think he used at least once and then occurs over a Herbert loosely based on over on her brood individualist writer in Britain late 19th early 20th century and somehow related to I think it would want anyway and he writes a radio script he rents a radio script killed not worth the Continental so it’s a parable about inflation and this actually is played on the right wing radio program Oh interesting thing in nearly 50 s also is the faith of freedom has to reject an article to done Linkin because it’s too shocking so poetical views of a number of things begin early and then he meets all sorts of people he meets growl Franco George Raisman over later Willard liceo and so on he’s got a group of Sympatico people now I said he had a number of things going on at the same time he’s also got a number of jobs going on at once because some job market apparently isn’t that favorable and then he also has views that might be a slight handicap so he does at this time he’s thinking something worked for P foundation for economic education and he’s landed the consulting position with the Volcker fund the Volcker fund is a whole other story it’s sort of like possibly the most important organization of the period in terms of company to support libertarian and quasi libertarian scholarship and they’ll send rothbard a stack of 20 bucks and they want his opinion and he’s very industrious and he’ll go through that is they exploit North the memo I spent ten hours on this book and he’s kind of being paid piece work but he’s not a trade unionist so he doesn’t care he does a good job that’s why you have this huge stack of memos from the early 50s down into 1962 you see a lot more about our Rothbart’s views on historical political philosophical economic and other questions are developing and you begin to see the scope of the reading is doing David of course is memorably dealt with the memos that deal with pertain to Leo Strauss but there’s he’s dealt with everyone the city mini book they thought might be of interest and they wanted an opinion so they would not whether to subsidize giving this book to libraries or whether it was a bad book they didn’t want to encourage and so on and so he’s at any given time he’s got enough part-time jobs going to to make a living and then he has the grant also for the Volcker fund to do the economic treaties why she begins to the textbook becomes a treatise but I don’t like that’s all explained in the introduction and knowing that’s going to run out because he’s going to be done he begins a making application for a grant I think your heart foundation to do them something on America’s Great Depression and in due course see the number of publications come out right in a row because man economy states been underway essentially done by 57 but then there’s a problem finding the publisher and vendors own infamous cutting power market out

business so that’s publishes with c62 minute dissertation comes out as the pentacle 18 19 and 63 but also the Great Depression but the same year so suddenly he’s got three books out why did they take off why is he suddenly the toast of the town one reason I suppose is that the freight varnish marks book came out the supposed to explain things like depressions this might have had a sinking effect also i suppose Rosberg views weren’t really going to take off in that climate but what I find them sort of coming up towards the present is that even the typical assess or upwards impact you find that a number of specialists know Rothbart’s works the people that work on monetary history of the early 19th century they know the panic of 1819 this book is cited by all sorts of historians so they know they know the book on the panic of 1819 and then there are the other scholars who work on Herbert Hoover and they cite Rathbun to work on Herbert Hoover whether it’s river and Hoover and the Food Program in Europe or Herbert Hoover is a sort of corporatist all of this the the Hoover scholars know rothbard I don’t know if they know the Rathbun also to the Pentagon 1819 they don’t really seem to know the rougher did more than one thing they just kind of know him in these areas of anyone one reference someone knows Rosberg brother pamphlet on the Panama Canal treaty doesn’t seem thing but this is what Jim disc might have an artifact of the search maybe people do realize Rathbun had this breath but I tend to think that they often don’t okay now one such thing all this work is cut a huge amount of different kinds of knowledge to cross-reference and so on well he begins to the beginning to see how this fits together systematically and he’s troubled of course by the fact that in these this system seems in the end of a utilitarian there’s no rational ethics he pleases possible to have a rational system of ethics and this apparently is one reason he had some discussions for a time with the ID around the circle at this doesn’t work out they weren’t quite looking for the same rationale ethical system and so on but I’ll I leave that to other places where I’ve written on this for now and at the same time is as we come into the mid-fifties the old right is on the wane the old right live with the rubber joined and to which he started contributing is being phased out in favor of the new right now this is to use reverse terminology and it might be Rothbart by coming up with the concept the old right and making this distinction with performing an act of piety and an important piece of historical reconstruction I mean it’s not exactly unknown you see this in George Nash’s book on a conservative intellectual movement he says well yeah there were some changes you know foreign policy views but he treats it like a sort of trivial unimportant those may matter a great deal he’s very complacent about it well it’s better than the guy that they say it was wonderful that this happened but mouths words very troubled by the passing of the non-interventionist physician had characterized in a general sort of way the old right movement around burn also admits that he’s done a kind of ideal tipa fication of the old right fueled right he’s got in mind a group of people who were sort of the best sample whose ideas he now wishes to systematically improve and so on so each other frustrated with the direction of the right wing and the obviously believes my other things that a poor foreign policy grendel an intervention and the constant semi mobilization and so-called peace time is not going to be good for liberty and sure enough I mean now we finally have the political scientists like Oh measures ikenberry and didn’t he write an article right after the Soviet Union falls about 1992 and they say gosh the the artificial phony consensus social contract of the Cold War is over what a terrible thing now the president presidency might decline Washington might be less important what a terrible thing we’ve been having the luxury of this progressive that consensus made possible by the Cold War because everything can be justified as necessary to defeat the Communists and they don’t better dental care we can’t defeat the communist without better dental care provided by the federal government everything could be you know highways anything you want Cold War that’s done defeat the Russians go to the moon I don’t know so so that the so these guys these guys noticed this now of course there were those who weren’t going to go into that dark night quietly they wanted to substitute Cold

War they’re doing pretty well on that front believed on the side for the moment um so this is this is his motivation tonight is number of nursing jobs now in the curstyn known by january of 53 he is married Joey there’s a lot of letters when they’re not married these are very sweet letters have were going to that but touching so so he’s mounting these jobs he he does a a series of abortive encyclopedia articles and they gets written back well this is really what we wanted and this doesn’t seem to be very good article in rothberg basically rice and learn are saying you dummies she understand this is a good article you idiot and so they they sitting like a fifty-dollar kill fee he’s encyclopedia article posted where he’s working on a level that they don’t apparently appreciate also doesn’t speech running for congressman Gwen who’s the kind of old right fixture in New York antillas Poyser jobs in the area and in New York City essentially does want to leave New York so the 20-story again in roughly the mid-50s mr. Royals of the freedom newspapers is impressed with Ross bars writing any rights Roth court says you know dear Marie I’d like you to hit it a newspaper for me in Odessa Texas so rat bites back and says well thank you very much but I really can’t see myself living in Odessa Texas so that didn’t happen so let me Billy need to fast forward I no longer well what he’s doing it at the same time he’s doing all these the cement of reading and writing of memos and critiques for the Volcker fund and the other projects I’ve mentioned he is also digging out a huge amount of information about obscure forgotten passed over classical liberals radical liberals people like Molinari’s that Spence Spooner and Tucker he’s always go to list he’s his ill type sloppy type lists and books that I need to get you know and he’s got this long list of obscure 19th century radical classical liberal anarchist stuff that he’s found out exist partly I think part of what happened is endorsement or he knew about this stuff because there’s a very thorough history of historian of American economic thought Dorfman knew who people like Josiah Warren were or or maybe even Tucker so I think this might have been a shortcut but he easily has these long list and he begins acquiring these books and he wants something like gum oh the French translation of Siobhan’s because there’s a preface by Penn lavey or something he needs to say for the critique of mathematical he’s got all these want lists and he gradually acquires these things and biggest integrate these ideas and it’s problematic is ordered liberalism go wrong thinks that clearly the classic liberals on the right track but something hasn’t worked out and there’s been some kind of default or failure to level of theory and he begins to see that maybe Molinari some of these writers are pointing in the right direction and this of course intensifies and over the years the next few years he systematically begins to address these things by the way there’s a late 19th century book the title exact title escapes me but I’m sorry early I guess every 20th century about 1910 or a little bit earlier loan last place by molinari where Molinari speculates than what this next century will be like in Molinari says well appropriate horrible surgery because the militarists of the socialist will compete for power and tear everything up pretty much what happened the what Robert is doing on the other telescope you know 57 years later is that basically stating what molinari predicted but seeing it’s already happened and trying to figure out why there’s Kevin Dorcey relationship between these two bodies of writing I think okay let’s see well I could go on a great length about the sorts of things he’s reviewing is he’s looking at the toe mystic philosophers he’s looking at wig history doesn’t like wig history and a number of important essays come out of this period the reconstruction of utility and welfare economics the mantle of science which created some controversy with their Indians at one point number of things some as part of his systematic work and many of these essays of course are now reprinted in the logical action Williams and so on now he’s got a kind of tenuous relationship with national review because the old right publications have all sort of sees that the Fremen basically sort of implodes partly for lack of money and also because yet there’s can’t agree on the Cold War there’s a few holdouts like cheddar of

and so on and attempt to so it ends up in the hands of pay and just devoted entirely to economics and not anything controversial like foreign policy National Review fills the gap and embraces the Cold War wholeheartedly so rutberg there being no other magazine around really rough read those articles from time to time for National Review something on what did a nice article on westerns really like the real westerns pet economic issues a range of questions even a couple of ethical questions or he and Frank Meyer would get into some kind of argument but they never really write about foreign policy because this was their key area of disagreement and it takes until about 62 for rothbard international rear crowds who decide not to have anything at all to do with one another and so you know it’s something I haven’t covered his life but there’s a lot he’s doing a lot I don’t know i was even timing me or trying to throw out a few more things of interest there’s anyway he’s got these books were now in me once they were getting towards the mid-1960s in the is in despair about the right wing actually there’s letters as far back as 1954 he’s sick to death of these these right-wing cold war types he’s ready for new allies he just can’t find any and as we get into the mid-60s they begin to be some interesting table writing on the left its way mapping williams there’s a few people on he begins to try to make contact with them or John Luke ash is the sort of gotten eccentric style of conservatism Rathbun writes to him and then certain ones that didn’t work out like ronald radish some and maybe I’ll rathbun struct up a very big correspondence with Harry over Barnes revisionist historian another wild character if frustrating a 48 but there’s no record of any real correspondence again until nineteen fifty-nine and then there’s a large correspondence the down to burns as death and rock gardens of Canada the de facto editor of the fist shrift written about Barnes and so on and then there’s something comes along called the Dane Russell fracas that I don’t know if you have time but they’re sort of inter dispute within the libertarian small libertarian circles about anarchism okay let me at least come into the new left period where it begins think maybe there’s somebody out there that’s not a complete idiot you can talk to and I maybe there’s some common ground rather touching article on this little newsletter called the innovator which was being published in Southern California by people among others guide Oreos I think turns out to be the vitamin guy Dirk Pearson but was the kind of classical liberal newsletter founded in 62 well some well-meaning fellow was running in 1966 that well maybe we can work with these SDS people they’re right about the war and they seem to be okay in civil liberties we just have to get these SDS guys to read an economy and stayed well of course true but not likely entirely true the impulse is probably good but didn’t happen bro me wasn’t likely do in the real world so we’ll just have to get someone to written okay now this has been rougher begins his kind of sustained particularly conservative movement i’ll just refer you to the fact that most of these articles in God continuum modern AIDS there’s a whole number of these articles starting with his I suppose with his reply none Huntington one Huntington an effect predicts neoconservatism in 1957 undergo bridge research assistant went out and found about found out about this for him but Jonah took this to mean that Huntington was right and nothing else happened because it misses part of the debate Rothbart said there has to be some content to conservatism it couldn’t just be situational or with many point would just be always conserving whatever garbage was going on right now seems like it was a good point no number of other articles in in modern age and elsewhere over the next several years kind of running critique of the conservative movement these are all I think all these are online now Lily Rockwell in the Rathbun archive Thank You 67 Rathbun takes the New York driving test it doesn’t pass he writes a great letter to forget to its too but this great letter of I know the status like he wishes people had failed him and it’s in a cruel example of statism I suppose partly tongue-in-cheek unfit it’s a great letter now he didn’t have a Nevada driver’s license so apparently so that that way they neither was he didn’t test for anything does but anyway that’s a funny letter but I think I’m probably running a bit along was looking but i

just mentioned in passing you know personnel he goes on to continue his turn into history and because writing the deceived of Liberty volumes and I have a couple two points on that and I’ll close the one is that there was this funny program that associated with this historian Jesse Lee mesh in the new left period and he was going to write history from the bottom up and I think it was who who was it that made the famous critique another historian said well the problem with itinerants and sailors and layabouts is they don’t usually leave many documents for their story and so it’s hard to write history from the bottom a good point but what I think rod partner way tries to do and conceived in Liberty has to come as close to that as you can he’s actually concerned about the tax by Harrison the frontiersmen the actual people in colonial America he’s actually concerned of the concrete guys who aren’t famous and weren’t George Washington he’s actually done as close as we can get to the kind of real history from the bottom up without a socialist agenda attached to it I’ll give you one quip this is the volume 2 of conceived in Liberty is he’s talking about governor dinwiddie in one of his Wars and he says in passing like all hardliners everywhere he was resolved to fight to the last life and bit of property of everyone else page 232 and I read that now and I think oh yeah it’s sort of like pearl or from it was a number of people to come to mind when I and there’s a very similar line and I am and Hennessy’s autobiography was Marie and read and extensively underlined so I think this not the wording but the notions it somewhere kind of wording I think this is the destruct with Marie and he used this later without using Hennessy’s exact wording but it’s a similar notion which would not be course out of place and someone who didn’t like this kind of thing this other striking so well I suppose I should just leave it that but really hard questions just has to have it Gordon thank you you