Leadership Asheville June 24, 2020 Buzz Breakfast

good morning folks it’s going to take a few minutes to get everybody in the room so while they’re joining us just want to say thank you for being here this morning i’m watching the attending numbers jumping up now glad you could make it welcome to leadership asheville’s virtual summer buzz breakfast i hope you’ve enjoyed your breakfast or maybe you’re getting it afterward i’m sorry we can’t offer that to you this morning it’ll be fun when we can finally get back together and see each other we have turned on the chat panel and i know part of the reason people go to the buzz breakfast is they want to see their old friends and former alum from leadership asheville you’ve got the chat box that you can reach out to folks that you see and say hello we’ll let you do that but we’re going to ask you to use the q a function if you have a question for the panelists um that way we don’t have to be constantly monitoring three different places so if you have a technical issue use the chat box send that directly to jan lowe we’ll try and help you out as best we can but if you have a question again use the q a box we’ll put all questions in there and hopefully we’ll get a chance to get to the some questions at the end so as i said this is the leadership asheville summer buzz breakfast we’re just excited that you’re here we’ve got a wonderful panel for us this morning and once again these uh are co-hosted or co-presented by dixon hughes goodman and the van winkle law firm we are super thankful and grateful to our co-presenting sponsors for helping us put this on without them we wouldn’t be able to have these meetings and uh in person or virtually so we’re really grateful that they’re behind us in backing us up and it’s my privilege to introduce liz britton she is the managing director for dixon hughes goodman’s asheville office she does all things tax planning and estate planning and does it for long-term care facilities and for family businesses she’s also a very proud leadership asheville 36 graduate so let me welcome her to the stage and liz i want you to picture the thunderous applause that you’re now receiving you’re walking up on stage so thank you thank you ed um the the joy of being virtual is i can just imagine all of you in front of me without having to have the fear of actually seeing you in person but thank you um really appreciate it dhg is just so proud to be a continued sponsor of the leadership buzz series uh first i want to welcome and thank our panelists for being here today and and thank you and um jan and jet thank you ed and jan and the leadership asheville planning team for putting this day together so we continue to have these community discussions virtually in this important time i’m just so grateful and impressed how i continue to see our colleagues clients and community members innovate and adapt in the face of change in an uncertain future as i know you are i am very much looking forward to hearing from our panelists today on their perspective of where we go next so i will turn it over to them and thank you very much i hope you enjoy the discussion thanks liz i really appreciate that again thanks for the support from dixon hughes goodman uh really really thankful for their help and support and keeping us running these programs i would be remiss if i didn’t thank our other sponsors and presenters um so we again we have um our platinum sponsors uh explore asheville parsec financial and western carolina university and the university of north carolina at asheville these folks actually purchased series tables back in the winter and all the way through the summer and have been very gracious in allowing us to keep that and even though we can’t give them a table so i’m very thankful for their support and i want to thank our sustaining sponsors td bank waste pro and the van winkle law firm who continue to support all of our programming at leadership asheville

our community partners who also do an in-kind donation blue ridge public radio asheville fm crown plaza resort the gray line trolleys and the ymca blue ridge assembly we thank them for their support continuing to help us execute on our mission and then of course the buzz planning team these guys have been fabulous folks not only did they plan uh an original series but they scrapped it and replanned a second series and then that series expanded to basically six five or six sessions so they have done a lion’s share of work jessie frye michelle keenan elise lewis and austin poland they’re all graduates from leadership asheville class 37 they’ve just been fabulous to work with and did a wonderful job pulling together this series and then like i said reinventing it multiple times so thank you for all your hard work um so today we’ve been talking about the last three we kind of went back and looked at the history of asheville and how we have handled change in the past we last time kind of took present moment and looked at how do we find change and opportunity and today we want to kind of look a little bit future now that future may be in the next month or two months because everything’s so kind of confusing but we have industry leaders with us today from different sectors to talk about where you at right now and then what are your next steps whether that’s the next two weeks or the next three months or the next two years whatever you can tell us would be great in how we move forward and and the question i think that we also want to touch on it as we get there is how do we do it equitably and sustainably um and that may be a tougher question to get to but we have katie cornell the executive director of the asheville area arts council lis whalen talent the marketing and special events director of the orange peel we have kevin westmoreland co-owner of corner kitchen and chestnut and lucius wilson the general manager at the wedge brewery all of them are here with us today and want to have this conversation before i jump into it though um i got news late last night that the mountain biz works is making a presentation to the buncombe county uh tda board on their grantees from their fund that they raised the five million dollar fund that they raised and it just turns out out of the 394 bunking businesses that are awarded grants four of them the orange peel corner kitchen chestnut and wedge brewing are all represented here on our panel today so congratulations guys on getting those grants um and we also one of our community sponsors the grade line trolley tours was one of those grant recipients as well i think it’s a fabulous um opportunity and and really shows that our community is pulling together to help each other move forward in this time of crisis so with that let’s move back to our panel and start with our first questions and katie i’m gonna start with you um representing sort of the arts sector um where where are we at right now i know um you know museums closed and i’m a member of the museum so i you know i know we’re doing some online stuff but why don’t you talk a little bit not just about the museum but art galleries artists in general where do they stand right now a little bit sorry you can tell us a little bit about the asheville area arts council too so talk about your organs okay thanks so i’ll start with the arts council um so the asheville area arts council our mission is to keep the arts at the heart of our community um and we do that by supporting artists and arts organizations in buncombe county we’re the second oldest arts council in the state of north carolina and one of the oldest in the united states we were around before the state arts council we were around before the national endowment for the arts and so we are doing our best to support and advocate for our arts organizations here in buncombe county um there are over 500 arts organizations in buncombe county 200 of them are non-profits and there’s over 9 000 creative jobs um our arts organ uh sector is very diverse you know so we have galleries that are over able to open right now um and are working in a limited capacity but then we have our museums and our performing arts venues that are still unable to reopen they were the first to have to close

and um they’re going to be the last to be able to reopen so that’s very troublesome yeah anything else you want to say go ahead well i was just going to say a couple of our arts galleries have already closed eco depot in in the river arts district has closed and i just found out that zapal gallery on the south slope is closing gotcha gotcha thank you thank you for that update and liz let me let me jump to you as well um i think you know museums and event spaces um and events in general are going to be some of the hardest or longest lasting um challenge areas i i know personally getting together i’d love to go see a concert but i’m not sure i want to do that with you know 2 000 people or 120 people or something like that so tell us again a little bit about the orange peel and and then from the event space area where we’re at right now laser muted all right there we go sorry about that um the orange peel is an 1100 person venue um in downtown nashville which hopefully if all of our participants are locals you guys are aware of it if not i’m not doing my job very well um and we have been in business since 2002 so this october will be our 18th um anniversary um we are consistently named one of the top 25 venues in the world by polestar which is our industry journal and that’s based on ticket sales annual event sales so that’s something that all of asheville should be proud of that we’re supporting a venue that is selling enough tickets to put our little city on the map of one of the you know most prolific number of concerts and concert goers in the world um here in nashville we um typically do between 160 and 200 concerts a year and um we you know our busiest months are typically spring and fall so summer is actually in our business a little bit of a down time usually but in an answer to that we launched our outdoor concert series about five years ago and as part of that we are currently under construction on an outdoor event space and concert site downtown on cox avenue with our partners at asheville brewing company which was supposed to open in june but um at this point we’re hoping hoping to open just as a gathering place in august depending on the north carolina governor you know phased opening right good thank you for that thank you i appreciate it yeah i was looking forward to some events down there this summer so it’s kind of a bummer that we’re in the spot we’re in that’s that’s where we are kevin let me let me toss it over to you the same question tell us about you know i think all of us are missing our favorite restaurants we’re um i know i’ve been trying to support with take out as many as i can but um tell us where we stand with chestnut and corner kitchen well we um i’m missing my favorite restaurants too um and um so i’ve learned to cook a few things i’m not the cook at a restaurant yeah me either good for everybody but um i’ve been experimenting a little this summer but i’m ready to go out and eat we uh we opened in 2004 at corner kitchen in 2012 at chestnut uh we had a hundred and employees on march 15th and on march 16th we laid off about 110 of them and then of course the governor’s closed down was the next day we are back open at chestnut for to go in delivery right now and uh trying to keep uh very you know strict conditions in the building and and uh anybody that comes and goes is checked and that sort of thing uh and that corner kitchen were still closed but we had taken the opportunity to do some sort of major repairs that needed to be done uh there it’s an old building and it gets a lot of traffic and so that’s good when it opens back up it’ll be fresh and clean and and those sort of things but basically we’re at about a 20th of our normal revenue right now and we’ve brought back eight people when we open chestnut we can run it with eight people right now but normally we’d have about 55 or 60 employees on on payroll

so obviously way off from where we were and i think you’d see that that’s true of most of the independent restaurants in town some uh some leaped back in some started and stopped and um so that’s where we are good good thank you i appreciate it and and lucious let’s let’s go over there because uh god knows i’m missing my favorite breweries i’m still getting the beer which is fine but you know there’s something about being able to hang out at the wedge and outside and all those kind of things that just yeah just missing it tell us what’s going on yeah we uh we pretty much uh end of march closed completely so we have two locations uh in the river arch district and we closed both locations stopped brewing and pretty much laid everyone off end of march um and then waited to see how funding would go um or and the spring to summers are our busiest season so we kind of right as we were about to to get out of the winter doldrums had to close so um certainly it was uh a chore which is why we ended up laying everyone off and then uh we have opened been back open uh we did some delivery and pickup um for a brief time and now we’re opening up our foundation location um for uh outdoor seating um so we’ve been doing that for the last couple weeks we’ve brought back uh four four five five bartenders um and about half of our brew staff um but yeah we’re just uh kind of figuring it out every day every day um we opened up the outside we were really unsure how many people would uh would show up um certainly and uh we’ve been lucky enough that people have shown up a lot of our emphasis was on two things making sure that we could open safely we are not doing any service inside so everything is outdoors we serve outside uh and and and then also making sure as a team the bartenders um feel safe and and feel that they can come to work and so you know we probably spent about a week or two with meetings with bartenders just making sure that you know um they felt okay so they do um you know temperature checks before they come in and and just like hey you know it’s basically like hey if you feel comfortable working work if you don’t feel comfortable working we’ll figure something out so uh we’ve been lucky enough for our business for this location has as has mirrored a little bit we’re maybe 80 percent of what we’re doing but unfortunately this isn’t our busier location the studio’s location is is kind of our bread winner so that’s still closed and we’re trying to work on getting that open um you know luckily enough with brewing you kind of brew and then you have beer so um the operational side hasn’t we have slowed down but hasn’t been um detrimentally affected besides the lack of business you know a lot of cakes hitting that cooler um uh but yeah we’ve been we’ve been lucky enough i think to to be in one of the businesses where we’re not dependent on being indoors and so i think that has has made it a little easier and just in and of itself brewing and selling beer isn’t as complicated as some so we feel to be in a fortunate position certainly yeah thank god it’s an essential business because i know you guys in the age it is what you’re doing with this the stress of covid you have to to go home and have a beer i believe yeah yeah i know a lot of people were doing that so what are your next steps and especially with the the wedge at studio um and and what does it look like if the county and the state continue with phase two and three what are what are your next steps for the the next month the next couple months the next you know i don’t i don’t we’re you know um our operating owner is 73 you know we’re not that excited to open up this year inside i don’t know that we will until next year and we have the benefit of having a a large outdoor area that we sat and has really been been our business model and so we consider that to be a luxury but we’re also taking that luxury and basically saying hey let’s let’s utilize this uh we feel like outdoors is safer for for our our um our staff and so you know we like to open up studios but it’s a matter of having the enough people to to want to be there and to feel safe certainly but you know we we probably won’t do inside service until next year um you know probably next spring or something like that you know if we can and luckily enough when we were closed we were doing some um delivery and pick up business so one which which is slowed down a little bit but we’ve really moved we weren’t really a big

uh package company but we’ve we added uh um we now can do our whip beer and our pilsner so we’re canning more beer than we used to can and so we’re also preparing for a delivery pickup system um you know obviously the more business we do the more staff we can bring back but even if we if it goes backwards we’re prepared for that as well good good and i know the outdoor space has been really uh wonderful i know just personally i i feel more comfortable if i could go to a place and sit outside because i know i can keep distant and away from other people kevin i know the city has just um you kind of opened up um parklets you know using parking spaces and um and allowing for more outdoor if you can at a restaurant but i know you’re limited by how much parking space you have in front of your restaurant but what are your next steps moving forward well we’re looking at the you know am i unmuted yeah uh we’re looking at the the parklets and trying to figure out if we can use those and make them safe for our guests because our parklet would be basically out in the street on the on on biltmore avenue 100 sure i’d want to sit there but we’ll see how that goes and and what we can do to make that useful we’re using the sidewalk which the city’s been great about they’ve made spaces uh for pickup and to go now in front of our restaurant which happened just really overnight we walked in one day and they changed the signs and and taking the meter actually literally taken the meters away which was great so that’s been helpful um the next we got ppp loans for for both restaurants we got eidl loans for both restaurants we got some grants but for restaurants and probably for a lot of businesses you know our staff if they’re at the high end of unemployment on in north carolina and the they’re getting the federal cares um you know additional funds they’re at something like 49 400 a year equivalent and so it’s hard for me to bring people back like we opened up the to-go business with eight people everybody’s making that or above which is not the kind of business plan you would take to a bank because they would go that’s not going to work because it’s not going to work forever but we wanted those people back these were people we want to you know be the core people that stay with us if possible so we’re running this as an experiment and until um you know until the ppp funds can be uh sort of used better it’s we’re not going to open up in any huge ways indoors until probably after july when we do that it’s going to be it’s going to be just as much as makes sense for the guests and our staff and to ideally break even at this point we’re trying to break even until next spring or summer i think we have this is it’s very strange we have probably as much money as we’ve ever had in the bank we have more money than we’ve ever had in the bank because of these loans and the grants but we have to be very careful how we spend it we have to sort of sliver back in staffing because you can in a restaurant you can get you know staffing can sort of take over and then all of a sudden you’re completely unprofitable so even with the ppp loans we don’t want to we don’t want to wake up next may and have you know a huge amount of extra debt to add to the debt we already had um so that most restaurants have so uh the goal is to continue to go in delivery grow that as best we can open up in a way that’s safe assuming an outbreak doesn’t happen and the governor doesn’t maybe shut us back shut everybody back down again and that’s a worry so and we’ve seen restaurants around the country open up some states obviously are opening up at different stages than we are they open up somebody gets sick or two or three people get sick in the restaurant they have to close again they disinfect the restaurant they bring some of those people back they close again because somebody gets sick and it’s one of those things where you know how many times can you open and close and and people still support you it’s a little bit of a of a strange thing so um we’re going to do it in a hopefully thoughtful way over the next couple of months by by august we will know more and everybody will know more and so we expect to have be open at about half capacity or maybe a little less in august and are you are you changing physically like i know some places are pulling tables out yeah certainly at the university as they

get ready to open for students in august they have reconfigured classrooms so people are socially distanced when they’re meeting in person how do you do that in a restaurant well you could pull tables um we’re not going to pull tables we’re going to you know block certain tables and and do it in a way that ideally is attractive and kind of like oh that’s supposed to be that way instead of having a sign on it that says you can’t sit here so that’s our goal we have some outside seating at corner kitchen which is great but yeah we at corner kitchen we normally seat about 85 we’ll plan to have seating in the 40s or so and that’s kind of maximum seating obviously you know four tops you’ll have two people there so it might be even half of that chestnut it’s about 60 instead of 120 or so um so it’ll look the same when you come in but you’ll be distanced in a way that ideally is good you know good for everybody in terms of being safe yeah good good thanks thanks and liz how about how about for you obviously the outdoor space would be great because i think people would feel more comfortable going to a venue outside but what’s the plan for moving forward sure so um we have done some you know we’ve done some preliminary work in the orange peel to create um like plexiglass gridding at the bar um that would allow um for more space if we are able to open inside but frankly you know i mean i think when you’re an indoor business that relies on large gatherings um as i think you said ed and some of the other speakers have mentioned i mean that’s kind of the worst possible industry to be in during a contagious pandemic um and so i you know i don’t know even if the governor were to say by friday okay phase three will include allowing entertainment venues to open at 50 capacity um you’re not going to be seeing the orange peel doing that anytime soon just because it’s just not responsible and there’s no way to even if we had 500 people in the club if you’ve been to a show that has 500 people you still are not feeling like well there’s nobody in here i’m in here alone um and plus you know we’re paying a lot of attention to the science and um as has been mentioned by others you know being outside is just a much better scenario for avoiding getting sick um and so we’re just very aware of all that we’re you know i think what we’re doing now is kind of just trying to guard our resources to um to make it until 2021 frankly um i do think that we’ll do you know some outdoor events at our new space on cox avenue we’re working with some other partners on other possible outdoor events that we can put on drive-in type events to be more specific um we do have a streaming series that’s going on now that we do broadcast from inside the orange peel on thursday friday and saturday nights with local bands um that is not a money maker per se it’s a good way to you know get some work for our our folks and to um allow local artists to reach their fans and there’s a donation based um paying platform so there is a way for people to fund that a little bit but it doesn’t really pay for itself so that’s fairly limited um i think you know as we get into the fall you may see us do some seated distance events inside the venue if we can find artists that will work with us to do that in a way that is you know at least break even if not profitable but um right now you know we’re really grateful to have received the tda’s grant and very grateful to them for having put forth that program um our spend our experience with the eid loan has been uh fairly ridiculous we received one percent of what we asked for which may have been a clerical error we don’t know but that didn’t end up you know being a life raft much for us we did receive a ppp um and you know i’m i’m encouraged by the changes that they made to that program to allow industries like ours to go

through the end of the year to use the money but as i’m sure kevin and i could talk about for a long time the original plan and even this new revision that is just not a great loan program for shuttered industries or mostly shuttered industries because it requires that you spend the majority of it on payroll and as kevin mentioned that just doesn’t make sense when your employees are currently making you know decent money on unemployment and for us in particular if we were to bring everyone back and spend the eight weeks of money that we received from the ppp we would just end up having to lay them off again um because we know that the orange peel is not going to be back opening at full steam you know probably on december 31st unless there’s a vaccine that’s been widely distributed by then so um i know i’ve talked a long time i personally and a lot of our management staff have been working really closely with neva which is our um national organization that’s formed the national independent venue association and basically it’s a lobbying group and just a way for us all to get connected we’ve never really had any kind of formal um coalition before amongst independent venues and we’re really pushing elected leaders right now to consider an alternative to the ppp called the restart program i know the restaurant industry has signed on to that as well but basically it’s an extended loan program it’s just a much better design for industries like ours to survive this um because you know we we know that we’re in the position to kind of just grit our teeth and try to make it through for nine months 12 months you know yeah and i hope you’re in the financial to have the financial wherewithal to do that because uh losing the large bill would be a huge loss to our community uh but you’re absolutely right i think originally i think you know i i assume good intent and i think legislators are trying to rush something out to make sure that we can keep businesses afloat with the ppp and the edil but uh yeah to your point i think they cut it down to a two-year repayment plan which would make absolutely no sense for a restaurant or a event space um and you’re right you can’t keep paying people when you’re not even if you had opened your restaurant cabin nobody would have gone in there and so i don’t know how they made it so it’s good that they extended it a little bit but what else do they need to do and kevin jump in as well um what else needs to happen liz i’m glad to hear that your event independent event folks are forming a uh a louder voice for policy change kevin anything you want to add to that well i think uh the changes the change has made it actually usable yeah we’ve got 24 weeks we’ve got five year payback we’ve got 60 40 uh payroll and um against other costs and and uh i think if you can prove that you can’t reopen and again it seems to change every week so i have to i have to read what it says today right if you can prove that you can’t reopen at full capacity then whatever you’ve spent could conceivably all be forgiven it before it was a fraction of what you you spent if it wasn’t fully staffed i think they understood i agree they were trying to do something they got the money out quickly i appreciate that and now they’ve kind of taken the next steps which makes it more useful um hopefully the 24 weeks means we can bring most of our people back i hope nobody thinks that none of us want to bring our people back we want all of our people back but we have to be in business to bring them back and that’s the point and so this is a great step um and for restaurants there’s a huge fund that’s being uh that’s being asked for i’m not sure that i have a lot of hope that it’ll happen it’s 120 billion dollar grant fund but it’ll be nationwide and it’s been um in the works but you know i there’s there’s a little bit of uh pushback now from a lot of folks in washington about throwing a lot more money at this um but we’ll see we’ll see but and the idle money the eid l money if that could have if they could have ramped that particular program up sooner and funded it with more money that would have been the best one because it’s 30-year payback 3.5 fixed you can use it for whatever you need to use it for as long as it’s business related basically right that would have been the right fun place to put the funds but it didn’t happen and i know there’s lots of conversations around well you know big businesses got a lot of that funding and the

independent businesses didn’t um and i don’t want to get into that piece now but you know we could talk about that hopefully they’ll continue to tweak it make it work katie i do want to move back to you because you know all of these folks have at least a tinge of outdoor space or the possibility of using outdoor space you can’t really do outdoor in a museum or in an art i mean you can make some art to the outside but it’s so weather dependent you know don’t want to hang some really nice artwork out on the street corner what what what are you thinking what are your folks we we are actually in discussions with the city about how to use the open space initiative to support our arts organizations um so that is happening so that would look like in these areas where they have road closures maybe temporary stages for performances better utilizing our parks particularly like hazel robin’s amphitheater um using pac um the stage in pack square um things like that and adding temporary vendor stalls for artists um ways to allow better use of outdoor spaces to help arts organizations um as as liz you know kind of hinted a lot of our organizations have moved to doing virtual events just to keep connected but there’s not really a good way to monetize that um so it’s a lot of work that’s not really helping um with overhead so what a lot of our arts organizations have done is everything they can to reduce their their overhead i mean that’s really all we can do right now is um get rid of as many expenses as possible and kind of go into hibernation mode i think most of our performing arts organizations will are not planning to do performances until next year so if we could you know find a way to use these open spaces and get them give them the ability to do something before that it would be extremely helpful you know and that brings up even a second point to it that um reducing the overhead is key i get that because you want to we want all these to stay in business and i know unfortunately we’re probably going to lose more than we care to um but when you talk about the performing arts places staying in business um what about the performers and and you know i know we’re reducing overhead and i don’t know how long um unemployment and the programs that they’ve added to unemployment that may have helped are going to be in there what do performers do what are ours well you know for a long time you know most of our um performers are contract based and so unemployment was not available an available option for a long time um and then when it did become a option it took forever to um for the guidelines to come down and for it to be open so it’s been an incredibly frustrating process um and there’s a lot of arts recovery funds but they’re all just swamped with requests um so it’s difficult i’m not really sure there is a good answer right now um so the north carolina arts council is revising their grant programs in the next year to be more support for both of our non-profit arts organizations and artists um there’s actually a bill in the house and senate right now that would give an extra three million dollars to the north carolina arts council for these recovery efforts um so we’re kind of waiting on the state budget to pass to find out how these grant programs are going to be adapted but we do know that there will be some relief funding coming at least for our non-profit arts organizations and for for local artists but again the need greatly exceeds you know what we’re going to get so i i it’s yet to be seen how helpful it’s going to be yeah it’s a serious challenge you know you think about why our state can’t get a budget passed um and again it just highlights how critical november’s election is for people to get out and vote so that was gonna be one of my questions is what can we as community leaders and the people on this webinar who are listening what can we be doing to help support to help keep businesses afloat we’ve got a number of questions that are coming in uh several of them around um you know can the areas around wall street or the ones in front of um uh corner kitchen uh there was one that was actually you know can the whole street be blocked off in front of corner kitchen and well bread and make it

used for cafe seating um is that even an option or a possibility but you know other ones the area around wall street or um you know to make it a uh an atmosphere with music and street performers um you know other cities may be doing this so i’ll just jump in so part of the city’s open space initiative does call for street closures and i think it’s going to be five to six different areas so they started it last friday with the block area market street and eagle street um and the next up is um wall street um and the area around banks and buxton and the south slope um so we should be seeing more of these spaces becoming available for that that kind of thing good and i’m curious too especially lucious because you have the outdoor space there who are who’s actually coming right now or can you tell whether they’re locals or whether they’re um tourists um what’s the mix yeah early week we get a lot of locals um and then honestly as tourism comes in the locals come out less you know i i am happy to live in asheville having i just feel like most people from asheville are are kind of respecting this process as as much as they can for the most part uh and it’s not to say that that everyone not from asheville isn’t respecting it it’s just saying that there’s a noticeable difference um in the local community and in our local community in terms of wearing masks and and six foot of spacing and and all that and just having to manage it we just we find you know when it when it is our regular community we don’t have to manage much um and when it isn’t our regular community we have to manage more and it’s not to say that that’s that’s part of it some of it is you go on a trip like we’re right on the river so you go on a trip you invite how many people to to go on this this trip and you come off the river um and you’re obviously drinking so that is going to loosen you up socially um and then say well but you can’t you have to sit only six six people at a time and make sure you’re spaced and so you know the the environment itself is challenging um but i will say that people have have respected it whether whether regulars whether locals or tourists they kind of have respected the social distancing um but certainly we have noticed where yeah regulars are will come in wednesday thursday and then saturday and sunday will be a crowd that we don’t we’re not as familiar with yeah yeah anybody else others want to chime in on what you’re seeing is it locals as a tourist combination of the two well we’re not open but um i will say that as we’ve been down on our cross avenue site and working on getting that open and speaking to mike and um corey and the rest of the team at actual brewing i know i have heard from them that they are um seeing predominantly taurus um coming in to their newly opened patios they just started opening the patio and being next door to wicked weed here at the field um i’m sure folks have noticed that there’s you know aligned on the sidewalk and um i think again my sense is that those folks are from out of town as well they don’t see a lot of mask wearing and i think locals have been pretty diligent about wearing masks at least in nice circles good good thanks uh katie you had mentioned that um the city’s playing wall street area was next in closing we had a question that came in that one i think we need to keep in mind that some of the streets proposed for closing also serve other businesses that rely on access this this person’s services has a service business on wall street and the only handicapped access which they need is on that street um so how do we keep it open it’s also a loading zone for pickup and delivery um so yeah i think that’s a great question we don’t want to hurt some and protect others and this yeah the city is uh very aware of that so these are temporary closures so it would be like a day it would be closed down for a day and then the idea i believe is to move it around and so there would just be like one day a week you know the block is closed down one day a week wall street is closed down to allow um for four more outdoor use space but it wouldn’t be closing it down all of the time gotcha guys that makes sense and we had a question that was actually sent in in advance that i really want to shout out to my friend ellen for for doing that i really appreciate it

uh does asheville have a plan to tackle the changes coming to the small businesses closing know so the ones that we do lose and their spaces are open on wall street and the grove arcade and other places downtown how do we keep it local you know how do we work to make sure that national retailers don’t come in and take up these vacancies any ideas or plans you guys know of anything in the works or suggestions it is this is something we talk about at the asheville independent restaurant meetings um i don’t know every other meeting maybe when i was on the board and it’s tough because you know somebody that owns a space is going to try to get the the most out of that space dollar wise that they can it’s part of sort of our economy but what we’ve seen is for instance where um oh it’s right across from chestnut now i can’t it’s it’s escaping me it was duchess where doc chase was when they closed the the rent went the lease went fairly high for the square footage a place went in there now they’re selling and been trying to sell their business i mean it was the kind of place where we all the restaurateurs that i know looked at it and went you can’t make a business there because you can’t charge 25 for a bowl of of noodles or whatever it might be that you’re making right it would have to be the perfect business and the per and i think hopefully the spa the people that own the spaces will see that i mean i mean yeah you could bring in a national chain and they might pay more per square foot but asheville is kind of a unique there are lots of small spaces medium-sized spaces spaces with no hoods you know there’s a lot of different things retail retail is a little bit easier i suppose because you just need more of a box than you do specialized equipment like we do but this is a question that worries me as a asheville native i love the diversity of business that we have in the city and and it to me is one of the biggest issues that we’re going to have with the fact that real estate is so valuable and people need to get a certain rent out of a space and a a small art gallery may not be able to afford that spot but that may be just what would be the the right thing for the city or the street so this is a tough one and i don’t know without the city stepping in in some way to subsidize the landlord which is probably not something many of us believe in or or or even think could happen i don’t know what you did but and and given the revenue loss that the city is now dealing with i mean they’re in they’re in a you know kind of a world of hurt as well sales tax and down property there was talk it was it’s really fascinating how different we are in just two months because before covid i know there had been talk or pushed toward potentially raising property tax rates trying to get more funds in for the city and now it’s completely austerity wise i you know the their sales revenue is down so much um and you’re right i don’t know that the city could actually justify or even have the funds to subsidize landlords um so you’re right it’s a question that i think we’re just going to have to continue to wrestle with and and i don’t know if there is a good answer i mean one thing this is you know a very micro level suggestion but i will just say if you are in an industry that is doing well if you are you know employed in some sector that is unaffected by covid this is a time to really support local do not buy from chains do not you know go out of your way to support your local restaurants and breweries and galleries and retail because um i think the reality is in a city like asheville you are going to see a lot of closures downtown i mean we just we are and um unfortunately i think the only people that are going to have the money once this is all said and done to come in and fill those spaces are going to be a lot of corporation so to avoid that as much as possible i think one thing everyone can do is really you know make it one of your charitable giving activities right now to buy local to go to brands that you appreciate locally and sears do they have a gofundme do they have a venmo account do they have a way you can buy a gift certificate from them um because you may you know that really could be the thing that that makes the difference in some of these um places hanging on through this so i think that’s one thing locals can do um because i think that ed his right when not the city is not in a position

financially to subsidize all of these local companies right now but who can help keep it afloat our patron and i’ll i’ll just i just want to add also making donations to your non-profit cultural institutions in downtown that can’t be open right now is very important to ensure that we keep non-profits in downtown one of the things i saw we went to charleston and unfortunately didn’t get to eat out anywhere um it’s very confusing right now in charleston but one of the things that they had on some of the to-go tickets uh was there’s a community fund it’s a community fund for local businesses and at the bottom of the ticket it’s i think we had like a sixty dollar to go order or something and it was about two dollars and it said if you know it added it on automatically you could uncheck it and and take it off but we didn’t because we understood there must be a community fund that’s for independent businesses in charleston and it this all goes into a pool and i’m imagining i have to i didn’t look it up but i’m going to look it up later i’m imagining you can apply for funds from that pool and i think i know there are certain things going on in asheville small you know different initiatives but something like that where once all the restaurants are back open for instance we could put that at the bottom of our checks it starts adding up and that’s a way we can sort of help our our own community and we need to we’re going to have to it’s a great idea to talk to franzi about that exactly she would should be on board i’m certain yeah i think it’s a great idea um you know it’s kind of like the you know the hotels getting together saying yeah we’ll add an occupancy tax and tax ourselves um to create the tda fund it sounds like actual independent restaurants could do the same thing and create a create an independent restaurant fund yeah which would be great i’ll send it to jane i’ll send that to you yes and just to clarify because we uh dana frankel is listening so thanks dana for being here i appreciate it um she wanted to make sure um that shared streets are not to be full closures there will still be vehicle access the streets become pedestrian priority areas so handicap parking deliveries all of those will still be maintained on the shared streets and there’s a link that i’ll put in the chat box for everybody for actual government shared space that gives you more information on that so dana thanks for being here and uh being in the know i appreciate it good you guys have keep question the questions are continue to come in i really appreciate it i keep them coming um kind of the follow-up to that national retailers piece was this there may be the perception that national retailers can follow safety and cleanliness protocols better um i i’m hearing from you guys at least that and and i think lucious to what you were saying ashvilian seemed to be taking it much more seriously in the few places that i have traveled um i have family down in georgia my mom just turned 90 yesterday and i did go sit on the back patio and stay 10 feet away from her but i needed to say happy birthday in person and of course gas stations and grocery stores that we stopped at that we had to nobody was wearing masks i i think i saw two people the whole time so it is a very different culture outside of asheville and i don’t know how you deal with that i don’t know if that’s something that is gonna help us or not what do you think i mean i think the i think the push for mask wearing is is you know it’s what we can do you know if you think about three things like we can physically stay six feet away from each other we can physically wear masks and it’s that simple and i think you know figuring out a way to put that message out there that really it is about community and it’s about all of us just want to make it until 2021 it’s what everyone says and it’s a simple step that allows us to get to that place and and i don’t know how to get the message out i i can’t say i’m not the the social media guy but but but a way and i think you know in the businesses that i go to are doing it right and they’re putting the signs up and and how do you how do you still i don’t know i don’t know like whatever ad funds that that the tda has like putting that on the mask scoring it seems to be the one simple easy way to slow everything down and and to at least know that that you care you know i think some of it is is a matter of like hey wear a mask because you care i don’t know like just put that area like it’s not necessarily about you

it’s about kind of everyone else and every time you’re not wearing a mask it sort of shows how you feel about everyone else and and and how do we put that energy out there that you know it’s it’s just we all need to take care of each other like remind it like you know bring an extra mask whatever it is and just the six foot of spacing you know are things that time and again the science is saying that there are effective how do we just really commit to that you know as a community even even with tourists coming in it’s like look just can you respect our environment and and go ahead and play the way that we’re playing this in that yeah and jane asked can the city of asheville mandate legally where mask wearing within the city limit to get our visitors to join our community i don’t honestly i don’t know the answer to that that may need to come from the governor’s office and and mandating mask wearing and i know they’re thinking about that and quite honestly i would hate to be in their shoes right now i know mandy cohen and and the governor are faced with a real challenge between wanting to reignite the economy and the numbers in north carolina are not looking good they are actually going in the wrong direction and and i know that’s not good news for you guys who are in businesses and independent restaurants and and arts and and event space it’s not good for me and a non-profit who one of our biggest one of our our biggest fundraising events is the buzz breakfast well we’re not we’re not doing them this year so these are all free and open to the public so it has it has been a real strain um and and i um it’s going to be a really hard call for anybody governor health council health directors whatever to say wait we’ve gone too far we’ve got to come back or we’ve got to go back to phase one because i know how damaging that might be to you and where you’re at in your business what are your thoughts on it i mean we’re expecting it i think that they go back i mean we’re especially in the winter time i mean we feel like we can make it through october but we feel like you know november december january and february if you know if we’re able to stay open at what we’re doing now it would be a pretty big surprise um we’re you know one of the we’re pushing to kind of get our studios location open um more so that we can just cover like even just close you know january and february and kind of move on it it seems you know and i don’t know how we get other businesses open um you know with the legislation but it seems like if there’s a way because i know you know i’ve got a a friend who runs a pilates studio and it just it seems at random that that you can go into some businesses and you can’t i don’t know if there’s a way to get get some businesses open so that they can do something you know but but keep the restrictions as opposed to like phase three has to be a free-for-all can we keep tighter restrictions but but let some of these businesses open with with restrictions um and so that they can survive you know because i think that that’s you know part of it is it somewhat seems at random what can open what can open luckily as a brewery you know we were able to to to open but how do we get some of these other businesses um open and just say hey you know this is what you have to do to be safe but allow them the opportunity to do something yeah it’s interesting my colleague randy bowman who’s on said uh you know yeah maybe we can go to a phase 2.5 and governor cooper is scheduled to make an announcement this afternoon at three um so we again we may know more even in just a couple of hours um and i think the issue about legally mandating even if it comes from the state level the the issue isn’t so much uh lucious as you pointed out the mandate it’s the enforcement right right and and how do you go about enforcing everybody wearing it so you know another tda came out with the guidelines and the promise and a lot of um signage about that so local businesses could put up signs about wearing mask washing hands keeping six feet you know distance and stuff which is great but it is the enforcement piece i know that’s always been the question the question who has to enforce it you the store owner you the the general manager or or or who right are you calling the police which in this current movement is like a crazy you know right right which is a little counter-intuitive to where you know many of us hope we go and i i don’t know i haven’t researched what other cities that our

mandating masks have done i mean i know what like a month ago six weeks ago it was all over that month county is mandating masks but it wasn’t enforceable um obviously like it was just a guideline and i see in the news these other cities who are in states where the governor may be less um careful than ours are saying well to protect our city we are going to mandate mass in this city and it seems like they are going to have to have the police coming in to enforce that because unfortunately there is such a huge i mean i’m sure everyone here has people in their own personal circle i do um who don’t want to wear a mask for summer you know i mean nobody in my family or close group of friends but certainly people that i’m friends with on facebook who are just you know adamant that no one can make them wear a mask which just seems you know i don’t want to get too controversial on this in this panel but it feels really selfish to me to say what come on you’re doing it to protect others around you but i think that’s the unfortunate reality is that there’s some not insignificant portion of americans who won’t do it unless it’s enforced which you know i don’t know the way around that well what i’ve seen because we we were wondering about how we would um handle it because we’re in the hospitality business we have we’re supposed to be hospitable right and so what i talked to a friend that runs a restaurant and his his point was if you don’t have a mask on you can’t come in the restaurant i said well do you provide math for him he goes nope he said there are stores on the block that have you know bass there’s a retail store across the street that sells them and they send them there but it and so we put up signs that said that if you don’t have a mask on you can’t come in the restaurant and that and that’s that’s tough but it’s not really if all the restaurants for instance or all the restaurants in retail that were independent said you can’t come in without masks then the issue would not be that this city is uh you know some it’s it’s the wills and wants it’s that everybody in asheville says you have to have a mass and then we it wouldn’t there would be no need for enforcement because you just couldn’t go in anywhere right you would have to have the mask on but the first you know the first word in independent businesses is independent and some people they they won’t require it and that’s okay that’s okay but i think that if we can get the more businesses that say you can’t come in without a mask then it will i don’t think it will stop people from coming to asheville i would hope it would just start people bringing masks with them when they come to asheville and i think lucius could probably speak to this um because i know you’re having a lot of tourists outside on the weekends but my perception is that one of the problems is you can say that but then once people get onto your property if they are refusing to follow the guidelines i mean that’s something we’ve talked a lot about internally is like how much you know i mean i could i mean nashville itself and national locals are great because they they they have a presence that carries over to taurus and so i think we’re lucky to have a lot of regulars that come in and so they kind of set the tone we have a fair amount of signage and we have someone who’s basically outside and all their job is to talk to people and make sure everyone’s going the right way we also hand out masks so we are going through probably about 60 to 70 uh disposable masks a week um because in order to go inside you have to wear a mask for us and so if they’re not wearing a mask we will give you a mask same thing with ordering beer in order to get a beer you have to wear a mask but we have them available to you and we have it we really haven’t had that much fight back on it um certainly people have have honored that certainly but yeah once you get for us it’s more size of parties um and and people coming off the river is really the the biggest thing is they’re they’re coming off the river you know 20 deep and we’re just like no i don’t don’t know why you decided to go floating with one of your best friends but maybe you could have just picked six to ten and would have been alright so what do you do in that scenario are you telling them you only had one time where it was there they wanted to um move tables and and so we had the person who’s outside engaged them and said hey um can you uh can you not and so they were fine they ended up being fine we had to go them a couple times and then we had all of our signage was around our perimeters and walking up and so the like the next day we put all the signage on the actual tables um with the six feet of per person so we had had it posted but we made sure to just make it even more accessible like you know please don’t touch this table uh and since we’ve done that it hasn’t been as much of

of an issue certainly um yeah people no one is no one has been me we haven’t had any any mean customers or anyone who who’s um completely spotted i i think some people just walk away you know whether it’s all right locals who just feel uncomfortable being outside with people or or some tourists i think just choose not to come um but yeah we haven’t got we haven’t received any any verbal animosity certainly um i’ll just jump in and say you know with our local arts galleries um the locals are very much following the guidelines from what i understand but there has been some problems with tourists and you know many of the galleries are are selling or providing mass and i’m also part of the western arts agencies of north carolina so that’s a group of 20 arts council directors from across the western region um and we’ve had a lot of talks about this i mean it’s there’s a lot of tension around this mask it’s definitely become kind of a political issue and as the arts councils are starting to reopen their galleries they’re down to you know one to two staff members and um when you have uh someone come in and and high attention you know immediately around trying to enforce this mask it’s it’s kind of scary um so we’ve had several conversations in our group about you know how to de-escalate the situation um you know we have a lot of of local buy-in but in these smaller towns they don’t um so it it’s definitely really um an interesting and kind of complicated issue you know added on to the frustrating of trying to reopen and i’ve noticed that as well like like i said when i was traveling down to georgia the the pressure to wear a mask and you’re right the pickup and deliveries that i’ve done here everybody seems to have a mask on it so getting out of the car and putting on the mask before going into the grocery store or to a pickup at a restaurant has not been an issue for me and actually it it’s the other way because i see so many people with mask i feel the pressure to put mine on whereas it was just the opposite at gas stations and on the way down to atlanta where nobody was wearing a mask and i was putting mine on and really felt out of place you know i just had to go in and use the bathroom and it was like well i’m doing this really for their health as well as my own i’m gonna go ahead and do it anyway but yeah i mean it was really that the social pressure was almost reversed because there were so many people not wearing a mask so i think you’re right if we can model that and get more people here wearing the mask when they’re in the museum when they’re outdoors in the outdoor space or in the restaurant there may be more pressure for people to actually put one on it is it’s tough that it’s become a political issue it’s really sad because it’s it’s about caring it’s about caring for your fellow human beings well and i also think this might sound a little cynical but my sister lives in new york in the city and she said literally every single person wears a mask at all times and if you don’t then everyone turns and stares even you’re shunned by pastor bye because you you know i mean they’re just not messing around in new york after what they’ve been through and i do think that um as hot spots develop in other parts of the country i do wonder that some of this you know intransigence about mass wearing won’t just kind of naturally be taken care of once you feel like oh this is a real thing and this is affecting my community now i actually know someone you know what i’m saying i think um having coveted reach communities that were previously not really experiencing and therefore had the luxury of saying like i’m not going to wear a mask it’s my right well i think if you felt truly afraid that it was that there was a lot of cases in your community you’d see a lot more people feeling like well i want to wear my mask for my own protection too so i do think maybe it’s just a natural phenomenon of you know people don’t want to take a step until they feel like they are personally connected to what’s happening unfortunately but yeah that’s that independent you talked about and that is certainly characteristic of our nation so you know be independent uh good yeah i really appreciate it so let’s talk 2021 um you know i know many of you said we’re just trying to hang on and hang in until 2021 and um nobody knows of course and there’s nothing magical about january

2021 anything might be different but let’s hope it is and if it is and we are you know god willing there’s a vaccine or or we found something that’s made it um less threatening to people how do we reopen asheville in a way that’s sustainable and equitable for all of asheville what do we need to be thinking about what can community people be doing what can leadership be doing what do you think well this is not necessarily about businesses per se but i personally am very thinking a lot about this issue and i’m sure many people watching who are parents are thinking about this too is what happens with our school system because i feel like in order for businesses to be back up and running productively you know we need some kind of answer for schools um you know i have three small children who haven’t been in school since march and aren’t going to camp this summer and um i’m at work right now but i mean i think i’ve come into the office five times in the last three months because i don’t have any child care and um that’s a big problem you know i mean that’s a big problem for all workers i feel concerned about it locally especially because our school systems serve as child care and healthy meal access and all kinds of things for a lot of our youth and um i’m interested to hear how you know i don’t have the answer but i do feel like coming up with some solution where there is some kind of safe child care provided to folks in the community through school i mean i just i don’t know whether distance learning permanent distance learning is to me that doesn’t feel conducive to um being able to have things sustainably open back up and it also doesn’t feel equitable to me because i feel like there are parents who you know have to go to work they’re an essential you know they work in grocery stores or they work um in the hospital and i don’t know what the answer will be if there’s no no school for their kids good point thanks others i mean i i share that certainly i second that and i think you know one of the discussions was on you know downtown and corporate creations coming in i think one of the things that’s what has been cool about asheville developing is it’s developing these neighborhoods and i think if you can have you know basically city centers in all neighborhoods whether it’s west asheville or um north asheville or oakley or whatever you’ve got you know so thriving businesses in the neighborhoods it not only helps those neighborhoods and make continues to have actually a walkable city but that same thing goes from not having to drive somewhere if you can work within walking distance of where you live you know that that makes things a lot more equitable um per se then you have to always go to one particular area so i think if we’re able you know if we can continue the trend of the community business i think it helps local businesses thrive because the you know the the rental rates uh are the lease rates in in you know some of the distant neighborhoods are and just watching those lease rates some of the lease rates in town are pretty crazy um no matter where you are and just if there’s a way to kind of have you know pocketed neighborhoods where your lease rates aren’t so high it gives you know people an opportunity to to try it out maybe become a destination spot certainly um i think for for us one of the things that’s kind of gone away because we’ve always been involved with local non-profits and they tend to have events that are different times of the year some are in the summer our non-profits we’ve worked with tend to be those that deal with food insecurity or children we’re a restaurant we do food we’re interested in helping people that don’t have access to food and my dad was an orphan so we it’s just one of those things i grew up with so we tend to help folks that help kids that are in need and thinking about sort of the most our most recent um you know the protests in our most recent sort of societal questioning we’re sitting here as a business questioning how do we how do we go forward again with our non-profit efforts and how do we do that in a way that addresses the communities that are most at need because those that may not have changed there still may be the communities there in need may have been in need

in need a year ago or 10 years ago but but they weren’t on our radar so communities are on our radar now that weren’t um joe and i both understand i mean we understand the privilege we were born with and the privilege that we have grown up with and how do we sort of coincide what we’ve always done with more people that have not had that privilege they haven’t had have weren’t born with that privilege it’s the best way to put it and we’re really trying to we’re trying to listen and be part of whatever conversations help steer us to the right uh the right place to do the best we can with what will probably be less money over the next year and a half or so that and an effort that we can definitely money we can donate effort we can’t donate money if we don’t have money and that’s a problem for all the non-profits but uh it’s just something we’re we’re really thinking about because we’re it’s part of our it’s part of our culture yeah i would say you know right now a lot of our arts organizations don’t have the ability to do that much but we’re all listening and we’re trying to figure out you know how we can use this time where we’re all scaled back so that when we are able to ramp back up we can do it um in a more equitable fashion um so you know really taking a hard look of what we have been doing and trying to address some systematic issues um i’ll say i’m working with the north china arts council right now we’re we’re looking very closely at all the grant programs and and how to address inequities within um the application and disbursement of grant funds um which is great because you know the money trickles down and we can’t make too too many systematic changes uh unless the state does um but i do think there are some great opportunities for change right now and i think each of us who is involved on non-profit boards or has a company um one thing we can be doing even though it’s true we don’t have financial resources right now we can be meeting with our teams and coming up with ways to make sure our hiring is diverse making sure we’re advancing people of color making sure we have diverse boards and i know i’ve been a part of a lot of companies on a lot of boards in asheville that are not diverse at all and i think that’s a big problem here and i think that it needs to be a top of mind priority for all of us and that’s something we’ve been talking about you know internally in the orange field and in our businesses is that um that’s part of inherent bias you know you have a company that happens to be run by all white people then you end up tending to reflect that kind of thing in your management and you know that is something that all companies and all boards need to do a better job with and that will you know really help help the problem you need diverse voices in leadership and so i think that’s something that we are all responsible for making sure that we do a better job with yeah i agree and i uh i know a lot of folks uh in the past we put a lot of pressure on religious institutions to be the one who um got forward and and call for change particularly moral change or justice um and that move toward government um and government entities to move to push forward on that uh quite honestly i believe business is going to be the one that could actually make the biggest change um no offense but i think government is so bureaucratic and so polarized at the moment that business has a better chance of making social change right now um and i you know i know what most of you are doing and how much effort you guys put into the community so i really appreciate that i know kevin and joe have done lots of work with communities with our you know with groups within our community likewise with everyone else on the panel so i want to thank you for that just check before i start closing this out are there any other questions or comments that you guys have that or or things that your challenges that you would put out to the leaders who are listening in on this conversation uh just i hesitated to say anything but i think you know as as a leader and then i talked to my sister and some of the experiences that she has as we as we think about uh equity and sustainability and all these movements i would be listening to all the voices and then not think that there’s a

monolithic voice for anybody for any community for any culture and to make sure that you know diversity of thought is actually diversity of thought and and actions are actually diverse actions uh and really think what that means and um to not always put the burden of of action on one particular group or one particular leader or or think that one particular leader or group has the answer um and and to really do it as a community and think and question what that community is but but do it as a community and as a collective thought uh and not put all that pressure on it i know you know i i often times i’m the only black person in the room no matter where i go and and sometimes i’m okay with it and sometimes i’m not okay with it and i know going through this whole process with uh george floyd and the politics of it all and being at work you know at one point it became very overwhelming and i never really want to come to work because i felt as though there was so much pressure to to be a certain way and i’m going man i’ve worked my whole life to just to be this guy in the room and now i got to work harder to teach people how to be and uh it was really awkward and and frustrating and um disheartening um but luckily enough for me i have so many awesome people around me who are diverse and have diverse opinions that that built me back up and and gave me kind words and and basically um validated my existence but i would just be careful about kind of where we go with this and what how we’re talking and how we’re communicating and and not making it so polarized and actually being accepting of each other you know as as a community thanks lucious i think that’s a great way to to end that one as well uh i appreciate your voice in this conversation and i really appreciate all of you liz and i know you guys and lucious i know you guys have small children um and so finding child care to be with us this morning and being able to be free to actually have this conversation i really appreciate it kevin and katie thank you for taking time to join us um i i really again appreciate all that you are doing for our community it’s been really wonderful um i do want to answer a couple of you know some folks have mentioned about other ways to keep this program free and open to all yes we were planning the rest of this summer series to be free and virtual because i don’t think we can get more than 10 people in a room or 20 people in a room at this time and that number may change and come down again so um the next breakfast is scheduled for july 22nd and the last one is scheduled for august 26th so mark those on your calendar same time 9 to 10 30 and we’ll get information out about those panels and and the topics that we’re going to be uh speaking on we’ve kind of left them open because things are changing so rapidly and so often there’s no telling what the governor’s gonna say today at 3 pm so that may radically change uh where we go forward but um we do want to have honest open conversations and keeping people informed about where our community is and where it’s going so we really appreciate that a couple other things again this was usually a money maker for a fundraiser for leadership asheville and we are not doing it that way this year we could certainly use help and support if these conversations have been helpful to you would love it if um you know you could donate there’s a way to do that on our website if you just go to that leadership asheville.unca.edu and there’s a button to donate up there we would greatly greatly appreciate that really i do want to let you know that right now the university is planning to open and have in-person classes for students starting august 10th and leaders of nashville is planning to run our 39th program next year starting in september we are taking applications for one more week it closes next tuesday uh june 30th and we would love to have you join us if at all possible we’re going to make them in person and if not we will figure a way around that and maybe postpone some of them but we would love to have you join us if you can so please think about signing up and joining the leadership asheville program the flagship program great way to do that again thanks to our co-presenting sponsors dixon hughes goodman and the van winkle law firm really appreciate their support our sustaining sponsors and community partners and our platinum sponsors thank you for your help in keeping us

going and moving forward with that i’m gonna say thanks again to our panel you guys did a great job really appreciate you being here this morning thank you to all the attendees who are here and all the questions you wrote in this video this uh session webinar has been recorded and will be downloaded and put on our website hopefully in the next 24 hours sometimes it takes a little longer the past two sessions have been recorded and they are on the website so you can go back and view those if you’re interested with that i’m gonna say thank you guys have a great day really appreciate it we’ll see you soon everybody you