Revolutionary Theory – Introduction to Lenin – Steven Broadbent

yeah but this is meant to be kept short we decided when we have been talking about we’ve actually decided to keep more of less of a lecture more of a discussion in place with these these reports and lectures so it’s a short brief overview of the state revolution making I hope a few interesting points and then hope to turn it over to discussion I’ll point out the passages that are on that handout I was hoping that would help facilitate discussion I just occasionally come around okay so letting the state revolution the Marxist theory of the state the task of the proletarian revolution written in August in September of 1917 this work was begun in Switzerland in 1916 while Lenin was forced was enforced hiding state revolution like all of Lenin’s works sought to answer media concerns and questions which revolutionaries based at the time this is a tremendous work of theory but that falls ancillary to the greatest worth political organization and ideological clarification so what were the questions that inside of that answering this text the questions can be immediately found in the subtitle the Marxist theory of the state and the task of the proletariat and the revolution one what is the Marxist theory this day which is important for two reasons first what was to be done with the state during and during and after the Revolution second what does this marks history of the state mean for the long term reorganization of society second what is the role of the proletarian revolution the second question is important for many reasons among them organization and the of the proletariat and the task to be completed by the proletariat being most significant these two questions are the central and guiding themes of state of evolution if brief remarks his conception of the state emphasizes the two full process establishing the dictatorship of the proletariat by means of violent and section which destroys the bush YZ state and establishes a proletarian state which is equivalent to the dictatorship of the proletariat and afterwards Orient’s the states towards the gradual withering away of the state kind of redundant there but the general idea of being violent insurrection establishing a new state destroying the new jersey state establishing a new state the proletarian state to dictatorship military which is aimed at the eventually withering away back state and holds a condom this is the overture that develops and if we have question this is supposed to be discussions we have the questions raised them as a sound dialectical material analysis should do Lenin’s Marxist analysis of the state immediately offers the concrete direction proletariat must take action this is it’s basically embedded in the dictatorship of the proletariat the answer to what the task of the military is in revolution is clearly to destroy the bourgeoisie state and establish the dictatorship periods three straight forward this analysis will proceed to make these conclusions concrete and explain the various processes of first the state and its withering away and finally the means and methods of the proletariat to accomplish that second one of the state what is the state most importantly the state is by no means a power 4 cyl society from without lenin explaining our poll from ingles summarizes this is potential in atlanta quote the state is our products and a manifestation of the irreconcilable ax t of class antagonisms the state arises where when and insofar as class antagonisms objectively cannot be reconciled and conversely the state exhibit the existence of the state proves that the class antagonisms are irreconcilable according to Marx the state is an organ of classroom an organ for the oppression of one class by another it is the creation of order which legalizes and perpetuates the suppression by moderating the conflict between classes and cool this passage makes two things clear if the state is a product of irreconcilable class differences it does not reconcile class differences very straightforward but often miss but instead the state is used by one class to a press number further if the state now in place is a mujwa state a state that facilitates capitalist exploitation and domination it must be destroyed for the proletariat to gain control so just to reiterate that if the state is now if the state now in place is a bushwa state a state that facilitates capitalist exploitation

nomination it must be destroyed for the military to gain control before turning to the destruction of the State a few words on how the ruse was the bush ball state the state which we currently live under functions to oppress the working class for the profits of the ruling class last week Josh gave a lecture describing social in the revolution and covered quite well the necessary mechanisms of X quotation under capitalism which are circles value so if we want to rediscover do at the end right now focus primarily on the methods of repression that Lenin identifies mistake language which are unique to the development of capital not just the necessary foundation of surplus-value to repress the working class and further away to a precedent working class and furnish the path to contemporary imperialism the state employs several methods the state stablish is a public legislative power which does not directly coincide at the population this legislative power has traditionally been sort of some sort of parliamentary democracy when it’s been ruling class uses probably true democracy along with the Democratic Republic by quote exercising their power indirectly first by means of director option of officials and this is a passage from angles esides Americans being the first to go directly and secondly by means of an alliance between the government and the stock exchange exchange which Engels identifies at the time of writing recently 91 1891 ads of France in America and quotes in short the ruling class ensures the government established in is serving the interest which it desires cheap labor under these the bourgeois stay cheap labor protection of private property and the ability to irresponsibly speculate the entire gambit of markets without repercussions which is unique to imperialism but that’s with another as the financial crisis of 2008 made blatantly clear cursory summarization the banks and all of their subsidiary subsidiaries were bailed out while social welfare programs were slashed the government produced seven hundred billion dollars and yet was not able to find the people aside from a line the government with the stock exchange the stock exchange of course being the marketplace of imperialism the state also disarms indigenous peoples and much of its own populations when possible and Institute’s a police force and standing arnold thus the military abroad and when police internally ensure the safety of the ruling classes so not only is the the base foundation of capitalism the very way it goes about producing commodities producing goods exploitative in its use of surplus-value there are these additional methods of exploitation a lying the government with the stock exchange providing in direct representation through parliamentary government which is held by the woman class none of us have access to run for president we’re not supported by lobbyists or via companies we don’t have a shot I really participated in this sort of democracy and also the police and standing army we are continually restricted and prohibited from bearing arms and forming any sort of people’s Alicia well we spend money it’s like sixty-eight percent of our budget on military defense and volleying for countries but of course that’s not all the oppressive apparatus of the state is pitched to the oppressed class as its beneficiary as a natural state of affairs that requires what a shot some dark what does this state require a lot with everything else is doing it sells itself to the people and then says and we’re going to tax you we’re going to give state loans with a nationalized debt so the corporations are free to continue their their speculation knowing the devil falls firmly on shoulders of the people what at the same time taxing us to make sure we have enough money to make sure corporations are okay having quote this is a land of quoting ingles having a public power and right to levy taxes the officials now stand in as organs of society above society special laws are enacted proclaiming the sanctity and immunity of officials end quote this raises not only the question of destroying the state the apparatus that is so present but also the privileged position of state officials on your capital and just to drive home exactly what angles and Lenin mean by official now Stannis workings of society of of society think of the way that our elected representatives are immune from parking tickets and minor traffic violations the way that their pensions are rolled over they have a union welfare structure they have a different set of Medicaid Medicare native they have a whole retirement package they are entirely exempt from the working class struggles poverty exploitation this

state with its police army they are not to mention that their elected terms less of a typical person would work in her life select the person first 20 years as a pension package like it efficiently be like works for eight years is the same benefits so he’s working less time than worker works are animals absolutely that’s right it’s a sweet gig for that it’s just the way you know absolutely absolutely that’s a perfect example of how they’re in society with above society not accountable to us and with a much more luxurious with beneficial life based on social program that novelist access this state with its police army bureaucracy and elitist meaning minority class idealogy cannot serve the pillitteri both this course of events many clams compels the Rev the revolution to concentrate all of its forces of destruction against the state power and to set itself the aim not of improving a state machine but of Smashing and destroying it and with the destruction of the bush mahaney state comes the dictatorship of the project the scituate this in why too many of us would you know talking about revolutionist might seem very enlightened sorban obvious ya mean smash this day what the time the opportunists and the anarchists were throwing around very different conceptions the political climate at the time the anarchists were sitting disk in reading some of this online the same evolution yeah he use the word opportunist a lot what is clearly very specific in this case technical term that i didn’t find definition ones and he doesn’t provide a definition in the texas high 75 year history better clear like opportunist vs he doesn’t like I give a lecture a couple weeks ago on on that exact topic opportunism an opportunity if I mean isn’t really a Marxist term it is essentially something Lenin starting to formulate to call out what were people in the Communist Party across Europe who started compromising and using opportunites tactics for example World War One kotsky supported at war credits in Germany so true make it go war things like that that’s opportunism costly was german social democrat and social democratic party and yeah so performing bag for much of state resolution yeah right yeah so the water parking in the city who I was work yes like even in America sorry the student commons / USA mmm and further almost every single Labour leader and every single so-called revolution in the United States is an opportunist vast majority yeah well I don’t want to say I think and I don’t want to correct Jacob we might have different opinions on it and I think what he’s trying and I could be wrong in the 20 train big is the leadership of the labor movement in general right not every person called a social revolution you know what I were a man was leadership of the labor unions and other liberals who take on the the revolution to situated within this precise context we’re talking about cause he didn’t want to destroy state average he thought that the revolutionary should more engage the parliamentary system try to get the majority take control and sort of slowly work in the system to reform the system he didn’t believe in absolute violence or any brave with this day he didn’t want to just slowly co-opted their parliamentary structure whereas London saying it’s opportunistic to think that we can do that slowly and not just get rich ourselves or not just you know fat in our own bellies in these positions where the real goal is to break help the people it wasn’t so much about the leadership was about the revolution and break with society a restructuring of society where Scott’s me wanted the same sighting there are st. society same parliamentary democracy slowly roll things over yeah i’m just going to say the reason why it’s called opportunist to is not is that like especially like trying to like do this gradual well we need to take the opportunities as they show up with these guys not attack which people might hear with people talking

about the democratic party many of us is actually the one main reason see cause of opportunities because they’re looking for parliamentary careers exactly i mean they’re these people are not revolutionary communist and what I say that I mean I should say they’re not like genuine revolutionary these are people who are just constant working in the state machine and that’s what they’re interested in that those are the people that they care about that’s what they want to change novel ya know should so okay i found that lenin it’s it’s funny and just dead on but he kind of summarizes exactly why this movement whether revolution itself under the wats kids after the mensheviks had been opportunist he says the six months between februari 27th in august 27th 1917 can be summed up objectively summed up beyond all dispute as follows reformed shelved distribution of official jobs accomplished and mistakes in the distributive correction for in the distribution correct as a few redistributions so instead of coming together and tackling the problems of the people and really restructuring society they came together and decided to show the immediate concerns or later date split up all the jobs for everyone the party that one and all there are few mistakes somebody would have cut out for us and then to redistribute jobs ok so to pick up where I left off with the destruction of the visual state comes the dictatorship of the proletariat so as Josh asks what is the dictatorship is the undivided power of the proletariat forming a new state apparatus backed by the armed force of the people i think that one more time the dictatorship of the proletariat is the undivided power of the proletariat performing a new state apparatus backed by the armed force of the people so some of you may be thinking wait destroy the state and found another yes yes that’s precisely women in the same but not just another state not just another huge wasp a but a proletarian state whereas we upset before with the dictatorship of the proletariat this next passage is passage to on the handout Lenin explains its kind of prolonged but this is a of just one text so it took some liberties with large baskets let explains both the proletariat needs state power a centralized organization of course an organization of violence both to crush the resistance of the exploiters had to lend the enormous mass of the proletariat population in the work of organizing a socialist economy in reality this period period of the dictatorship of the proletariat inevitably is a period of an unprecedented be violent class stroller in unprecedented Leah cute forms and consequently during this period the state must inevitably be a state that is democratic in a new way for the proletariat the properties in general and dictatorial in a new way against the bourgeoisie the transition from capitalism to communism is certainly bound to you the tremendous abundance and variety of political forums but the essence will inevitably be the same the dictatorship of the proletariat thank you this long passage makes a number of incredibly important points the proletariat state must be a democratic in a new way that is democratic centralism democratic centralism means a democracy where smaller communes are united in action with other compliments all owning and directly participating in the means of production and regulating forces what’s that essentials of central essentialism and that is essentially the dictatorial mode of the state under the dictatorship of the proletariat is the proletariat on top of pressing the blue toilet or the boudoir and slowly weeding out at wisma hoping to turn society over the withering away of this thing so so democratic centralism means a democracy where smaller Commons are united in action with other convenes allowing their all owning and so apology these columns all of these settlements towns cities where you’re calling all oh and directly participate the means of production and regulating forces this means abolishing the parliamentary system of minority representation and institutionalizing an entirely different governing system based on majority participation in action next Leno points out that the period of social transition will be violent the proletariat cannot expect the ruling class to roll over and allow their pirated wealth to be freely distributed amongst amongst the majority this entails a level of dictatorial islands having been oppressed for ages the proletariat must wrestle free the reigns of autonomy and impress the butch ones that you resist who resist in crucial we don’t need to just slaughter all of the news Mosby all of the people willing to cooperate but those who resist those who disturb the new protégé

dictatorship the pilot area must be doubled thirdly the transition from capitalism to communism will entail an abundance of political forms it’s now time to ask what made some of these forms be section to the withering Wednesday for starters they don’t have any comments for sure um do you think that or don’t you think that would be communist or would be lent mists probably how are reasonable if they think that if they were to join the Vanguard and in a hypothetical world the Lennon’s movement actually succeed in taking power given the less history reputation invited a good spec probably to be smeared as you know counter Aleutian air after a few years or bourgeois trader the fascist and yet you know show trial or whatever I mean is messing pretty huggable we have a dictatorship and central power it’s going to be people gravitate for that the future so happy types yeah well I’d say and actually passes to kind of emphasizes this but let’s see the dictator of the dictatorship of the proletariat yields a tremendous abundant abundance and variety of political forms so I get our common you know sort of civil society we always think Oh dictatorship that must mean everything I’ve ever been taught about communism which is like one guy who makes all these executive decisions and totally sublimates congressional injuries jurisdictional power you know I’m saying dictatorship in this very rudimental fundamental sense simply just means to rule right and this is particularly why a lot of left currents and a lot of like revolutions manifest themselves differently you know upon different conditions and what have you I think it would be what’s the term and this isn’t like a total you know status haven’t you might meet but I I just simply my run into a lot and I think it’s an acronis tick you know to disregard the fact that a lot of historical movies have existed you know in various states of dictatorship and again an apple census just rolled out of that know where are the original meaning work dictatorship to tutor I mean you know and I’m not like a newcomer to confidence sympathy or anything but still I mean people get a purge people did I mean it’s like if the left as a movement has I mean I see this all the time you go to different factions other sites there’s so much vitriol big movements against even though all these movements are relatively without power and yet they still each other a lot sing songs as much as they hate the capital sometimes and we’re going to be naturally think that if once you sort of advocate violent revolution and going outside of constitutional parliamentary excited it’s sort of letting a genie out of the bottle because if you can if you can slaughter the bourgeois elements or if you can you know you need obviously well we need to see her police and we you know these capitalists elements are a signature no no no we don’t need super glue snow too so I think what you’re doing is taking particularly stone and the post Stalin years and saying that that is the model for all either to communist or social society and I think that’s a gross miss reading of history as the paper will explain and as Lennon himself will explain there are several lessons from the Paris combien which men and identifies that scholar never paid attention to and those will come out in the paper but Noah police force is strictly a state oppressive institution that is absolutely against forward who were talking about you have already mentioned the policeman standing army as being impressive proportions of the sure but I mean it’s not just Russia I mean one of my favorite novels I guess should it be some logic California back to her well chuckles overspent experience of this man fighting and he was in a militia he was fighting a bird he was an anarchist fellowship there’ll same side fighting for the Republican cosmids the fascist but after he got back to Barcelona because he was he got shot next to be pretty but somebody there was this because they did then there was a power struggle that arose people who were perfectly you know sound since they

had really no capita sympathies but people started disappearing his friends they prison he barely got out of the country with that how is that unique because that unique to socialism how does that not happen all the time in capitalism’s are not saying it would be the unit socialism I’m saying that this would probably be a feature of any sort of extra constitutional revolution and so but it’s part of it would matter its American sure I’m good job I agree it made me will be a necessary evil but I think I think when people bring it up I mean I think it’s probably would be worth it personally like you know the average 3d on excursions to the average person in Russia benefit from the regime evolution revolution absolutely but people who were more sensitive is the inevitable sort of violence some people did you know her she really worms anyway what is going on well I’m just going to say first off on it and I know you’re not new but I was going to say my perspective on dictatorship I think it’s kind of a breath for saying which is it’s the concept is not that it’s a dictatorship in the sense that we know it but a dictatorship of the class and I’ve know maybe you’re aware of that but what I’m saying is what that means is we’re creating a new state power and a new class is going to rule it it doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily not going to even be parliamentary you know the whole idea is that we would just have a different state that represents working people in my so it seems to me like we are creating a whole new legal structure we are creating a whole new concept with how the state’s going to exist and it is going to be much more democratic in general I think on every level you know so yeah as far as like what happened in any country like it as far as like the Revolutionary Party it seems to me it’s not a question of it being all these different factions fighting against each other the Revolutionary Party should be a fusion of all these different elements together into one mass party you know especially of working people you know and so there are going to be tendencies that fight amongst each other within that party and indecent my conception I think we should have a probably a multi-party system the Bolsheviks tried that actually they had the Bolsheviks and the left socialist revolutionaries and a whole smattering of smaller part in sputum but where it gets really interesting is how exactly you implement this new state address I was like in stata revolution see my planet he’s pretty down on parliamentary procedures in general and all the references that i came across to it were negative but they also said that people like judges and policemen and everyone should be elected in a should be subject to recall he doesn’t say how exactly that’s stuff that has to do that’s the fundamental difference though is you have a parliamentary democracy you’re talking about capitalism right what’s going on in parliament is irrelevant it’s all about going on with the Catholics really the parliamentarian ISM is a show it’s a sham you know his concept is this is the where this is the Marxist concept is that this is where all the capitals come together decide policy for capitalism you know what we need is the same thing but for working people in an estate that’s actually the process of dissolving altogether what’s officials that are immediately accountable to those who voted and recallable and not controlled by capital not control a corporate money no special privileges paid the same wage as those workers so I think that’s I mean this is a fundamental concept is he’s not that’s where like a lot of the Social Democrats were like well what are you doing your extra legal no it’s not any extra legal it’s different legal for creating a whole new system for a different class you know in my view it’s it’s born out of capitalism parliamentary system developed democratic republic where any form of democracy but the end goal to keep in mind this democracy goes with the state yeah I think with the clouds right yeah exactly yeah what was it was it the question of how the dictatorship acts as such you know from one historical context to the next was it a question of violence because I’ve been always the court contradiction because I was I mean forget me on maybe I was like dodging the question that he had just arrested so was it i Kent was it violence as Senator how the dictatorship you know exercise all about us and how they’re comprised is that it’s just I go back to member word you know issue wondering what you would say to the opinion that although the situation as it is now is not optimal and trying to use

constitutional or not violent means we’re going to say you can go extra-constitutional but nonviolent may never work very well but that you know some people might find that prefer to a la revolución where it could work or it could go very badly and who you know how our leadership they can you get that mystery of revolutions is honestly a history of establishing stronger budva capitalist structures after revolutions from the French Revolution onward all of the first the French Revolution did was ensured a stronger Republic or I mean our stronger monarchy excuse me I think that’s a huge risk you have to take anything that’ll be people on both sides not wanting to and wanting to I think for me and I love to throw this out to everybody but for me it’s not about violence in the sense of let’s all just go crazy and her people what was what was provocative about state revolution precisely was Lennon was responding to the opportunists particularly saying the time is right we need to strike and he says elsewhere in what is to be done we don’t strike blindly the anarchists walk in with bombs and blood cafes that only serves to strengthen the resistance that only helps unite people against the movement we’re not about blind violence we’re not about inopportune acts of self sacrifice it’s about being prepared to strike when we need to and I don’t think it’s as clear cut as some of his wall mounts and I think it’s more we don’t want violence but we should be prepared to use it when it where it is required oh I was going to say kind of I head and maybe I’m just reiterating like some of my other points but like you can look at the Venezuelan revolution is a great example where it was like you know virtually bloodless you know I think that every revolution again kind of and I said this already mirrors its certain conditions in soviet russia and nothing you know they started out from absolutely nothing you know like they couldn’t they couldn’t read you know you’re saying I I would envision if we were trying to draw like it’s a contemporary you know lesson example from this I would say like look at the United States like there’s tons of opportunities for for revolution and upper throwing the capitalist class it doesn’t have to be is sort of in the shadow of these hugely violent acts if that’s what we’re trying to Cheyenne shy away from you know I’m saying but I don’t know i think if one thing history does teach us that all new societies are marked by very bloody revolutions and all reforms are kind of you know mirror after that revolution it’s sort of two sides of the same coin and they complement it’s like the children so on so forth I don’t know that that’s just my two cents and because I I think the question of violence is also commit that comes up it’s always a relevant question so I didn’t mean to shine that’s fantastic yeah and not the monopolize time either but I was just going to say really fast as far as violence goes I mean I think the concept of violence is not necessarily the same thing with dictatorship doesn’t mean violence right now doesn’t mean like this one dictator the idea is the Catholics government we have in this country is a dictatorship you know the violence ain’t play against us to maintain capitalism is violence you know we’re not talking about people just going in the streets and beating people with clubs I think the idea is you maintain yeah right Stefan is systemic you could say this house well I mean who gets arrested on cops it’s like people who are you know knock over a gas station or doing drugs but who is not going to lose not arrested on cops is the super rich that knock over countries and steal our resources and pump millions of pounds of drugs those are the people that should be getting that kind of quote-unquote violence as in repression going to jail you know getting arrested you know instead of like oh no we can’t do anything to you you know your ass hole in our face yeah enough to mention of course all the effects of culture on nation’s health and the oppression of labor in the factories that was it serves food our treatment of animals and factory farms well it’s it’s

violence but it’s way we live yeah yeah governess is a sporty perpetual debt cycle people are being heavier I stink revenge’ and also we’re getting better yeah to our guts apparently yes we did the introduction this is Kyle by the way he’s awesome ease my sociology bliss good question is your favorite dragon ball z character a Pingo yeah I think you just like the kind that a lot of people are getting at is that the state the state is violence and the violence is always present right and with the bushwa state right the violence is just directed at us as may not always be a parent but as you can point out if you try to deviate from the established rules that capitalism you know operates by you will see that violence rather quickly and of course that violence doesn’t just get concentrated on its own citizens it occurs abroad it occurs in Iraq and Afghanistan in Libya and Chris Amell is click on all these places right so this violence is always happening and the fact that we’re saying that like yes this violence is always happening we just want to we wanted to not be directed at us wanted to knock directed at working-class people we wanted to be directed at the people who have perpetuated this violence against us and our would continue to if we try to you know that’s how i reorganize society from our own benefit so it’s not it’s not a matter of there being you know no violence as opposed to a violent revolution it’s a matter of whose side that violence is on in closing comments before eight discussion of engines keep it coming so yes section to weathering a way of the state the withering away of the stay is a process of transition runnin citing marks identifies in several stages first socialism what Marx called the first quote the first phase of communism end quote and the success of developments the state’s loathing at the end of successive developments that allows the state to slowly wither away a quote owning owing to the conditions of capitalist exploitation the modern wage slaves are so crushed by want and poverty that they cannot be bothered with democracy cannot be bothered with politics in the ordinary peaceful course of events the majority of the population is debarred from part from participating in public and political life and quote the dictatorship of the proletariat must first of all learn to become democratically we must first learn to bother with social organizations administration in a word we must first learn politics we the working class we’re heading for all students marks analyzing the Paris common and drawing illogical conclusions there from saw several ways in which this process must begin this is quote number three on the handout quote the first decree of the common was the suppression of the state our name and its replacement by the arm to people and the suppression of the standing army would also include the police force which tears took with him in mass his escape second the Communists officialdom were the privileged status of public servants by reducing their wages to those of working 3ds further the calm you made all representatives of whatever kind social religious political responsible for their actions and revocable at any time end quote the conde an according to both Marx and Lenin furnace the material to understand how the first phase upon his socialism would begin to undo the years of which why geology an oppressive government in short the calm you began the process of reorganizing the state along the lines of transforming capitalist private property into social property and defending their monumental achievement marks understood that just because the proletariat had one in the initial revolution the dictatorship of the proletariat quote does not immediately create the economic prerequisites for communism and quote the first phase of communism or socialism is the building block for the education of the proletariat and the terrain for finalizing the defeat of the blue job is a period of experimentation growth hard work and final tastes of violence however this first phase of communism Lennon believe could be transformed for there still and transform for them remember that the state is an impressive apparatus rising through the stages of history as a result of irreconcilable class differences only communism makes the state absolutely unnecessary let it sit for quote there is nobody to be suppressed nobody in the sense of a class of assist our systematic struggle against the definite section of the population we are not in tolkien’s this is a lengthy quote so bear with me we are not utopians and do not in the least deny the possibility and inevitability of excesses on the part of the

individual persons or the need to stop such excesses excesses could very well be overzealous violence in the first place however no special machine no special apparatus of suppression is needed to this this will be done by the arm two people themselves as simply and as readily as any crowd of civilized people even in modern society interferes to put a stop to a scuffle or to prevent a woman from being assaulted and secondly we know that the fundamental social cause of excesses which consists in the violation of the rules of social intercourse is the exploitation of the people it is their wants and poverty with the removal of this chief cause excesses will inevitably begin to wither away we do not know how quickly and in what succession but we do know they will wither away but their withering away the state will also win there the state will eventually be able to wither away completely when society adopts the rule from each according to his ability to each according to his needs that is to say when people have become so accustomed and accustomed is the key word here because Lenin does see this as a prolonged process of habituation he specifically cites the need for further generations to care stroke to be born without the hindrances of which my ideology is so many of us are from solution that a cesarean could become so accustomed to observing the fundamental rules of social intercourse and when their labor has become so productive that they will voluntarily work according to their ability there will then be no need for society in distributing products to regulate the quantity to be received in each each will freely take according to his needs to conclude I think it’s the last colon on your hand out until the higher phase of communism arrives the socialist demand strictest control of society and by the state over the measure of labor and the measure of consumption I read their better for me reiterate until the higher phase of communism arrives the socialist demand the strictest control control by society and by the state over the measure of labor and the measure of consumption this control must start with the expropriation of the capitalists with the establishment of workers control over the capitalist and must be exercised not by a state of bureaucrats but by a state of armed workers with ankle and then I was hoping from you so what do you guys do the Trotskyist have to say about permanent revolution what is permanent revolution doesn’t apply to you’re always I’ve heard her responses I want to know like I think within now is transmitted and I would have fullness the it seems like the very base of the Cultural Revolution was challenging the central Communist Party head it seems like that’s a concrete historical piece to to shed light on kurt’s a situation does permanent revolution with that during the sympathetic to any aspects of the Cultural Revolution or anything like that is it just mouse power grab yeah I think it was a little bit of both honestly I think there was actually an element of a political revolution going on in China but let me to say I think there’s something a little bit different I have a different conception I think of socialism then maybe mouse would I don’t think that there was socialism in China I think that what there was was a transitional regime kind of a Lennon talked about as what the Soviet Union was it wasn’t socialism yet because it wasn’t couldn’t even match the basic like level of productivity of capitalism in the Western countries you know it was far the but I say that I don’t mean as far as like you could produce tons of the you just produce all this crap like we do in this country what I’m saying is to produce the same things he took way more labor you know and it shows this is there was some of the you could say backwardness and I don’t mean that in the pejorative sense backwardness of the country because it had not developed along capless lines the same way that Western Europe at so this was Leonard was talking about in Russia he says this is not this is not a socialist country we are at the very most like even said at one point we’re a capitalist country without capitalism without capitalists you know which is not entirely true but there’s a good point to which is there so all these capitalists measures and methods that’s in the country i think china was far far behind in the level of technique and technology of russia and i think that what grew up there was in my opinion the a dictatorship far worse and then you know was London in the Bolsheviks representative and I think at a certain

point it broke from the masses and became kind of its own its own self perpetuating bureaucracy but what I think is that there was a political revolution just like it would happen but I consider what happened in hungry 1956 or in Czechoslovakia to a certain extent in 1967 the certain extent I think that happened in China would mount there was a lot of like Greg talks about the new bourgeoisie that was growing up and I mawlid like a revolution against them I think this is actually to a certain extent kind of true there were a lot of aspects of a political revolution the one that was doing I think the problem is it was led by now and so what now actually wanted wasn’t the political revolution in the sense that you wanted the political revolution that led to his come into power I think after he took tower during the Cultural Revolution he very quickly took that same social base and sent him off into the mountains are often the labor camps or whatever completely got rid of them as much as possible and a lot of people who had been part of that movement had themselves been repressed but I do I agree to a certain extent I think that the masses themselves did want a political revolution against the bureaucracy in China I do think that they took Mao’s Cultural Revolution and tried to do it do certain they try to go with ten years before when culture color when now called Fred or wasn’t ten years it was like seven years before when he called for dad thousand flowers blooming in which led to a whole bunch of intellectuals talking about the conditions that existed in China and of course getting arrested for doing so so but as far as permanent revolution goes I think that permanent revolution is not necessarily that pur- revolution is kind of the same it’s part of that same concept of moving gradually from for the proletariat the communism where there’s no state where there’s no classes people are working according their ability getting corners or need but it also with Trotsky it talks about it takes the concept of taste the concept of like who should you if you’re an oppressed imperialist country who are your allies you know and the concept is the capitalist class within these countries is incapable of leading a revolution the way that the capitalists did in Western Europe this is a social democratic idea that the Capitals have been the imperialist countries would be able to lead that revolution the problem is they’re tied to imperialism they’re the agents of local imperialism and even when they pretended the revolutionary they’re actually secretly the fifth column within the revolution they’re always the most conservative we see that in Venezuela I’d say the within the PSUV you have and we work with them the PSUV as much of the classes we have there’s a huge the bureaucracy that’s grown up in there is largely capitalists that have been become rich under under Chavez and we see that they have largely taken over the reins of power within the PSUV doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be there and still be fighting for things we fight for the point is the capitalists are not the revolution we have to break from the cap is fundamentally in even the most backward of countries and fight for these four things that is talking about here and i would say what’s going on in natal is a good example of what happens if you don’t have that concept right now where prashantha is giving all the weapons away to the blue alarming and preparing for another split like happened 10 years ago in nepal this is the problem we’ve got a break from the kappas class break from parliamentarian ism break from opportunism form a new state entirely not try to use the reins of power of capitalism because they will come and crush you totally so when historically have permanent revolution concretely be enacted enough revolution i would say that you’ve seen it in a negative sense everywhere that a revolution has been overthrown every time you have any kind of revolution that’s comes that’s halfway to power they always get thrown out of power usually by the capital state that’s been newly created the Senate nieces are perfect example of that where they destroyed the Gujarat state of the dictatorship and proceeded to create a new one and what ended up happening was who got Ruth through the mountain the Blue Joss take that created and not only that the bush off state was also the ones I was leading these these deadly militias against the very Sandinistas that had taken power I think in a negative sense you can see time and time again as these middle-class seder ships attempt to lead a revolution without getting rid of capitalism they are overthrown this is it happen in Grenada with the maurice bishop this happened in burkina faso with Thomas and Cara throughout all of Africa the leaders either became awful capitalist dictators or themselves or overthrown in a coup so so is my understanding of Trotsky is it at least to some small element correct when I did was those like say that there’s been a socialist revolution in your country and you know

they’ve set up a new state apparatus and you know they’ve got to get economic command thing going right and so your worker and it turns out your conditions are just as bad as it were before now the the party line might be well that’s because these are this is a transitional time you have to buckle down for the greater good what trotskyism the permit revolution I get it be to be to you give the finger and you keep on fighting against whatever new data address has been set up if it’s if you know if the conditions are just as bad as they were before is that way if it’s horrible yeah like we worked with in the Communist Party has an opposition from 1927 infill 1933 we didn’t break from the party we didn’t call for an end of the party or for an overthrowing of the Soviet state until in our views Stalin actually helped lead to the rise of Hitler with the with the third period stuff by having them separate option Social Democrats which in reality in mind he was actually it was when he’s doing overtures to different imperialist powers he’s just playing for his own like he’s using the International it’s his own personal border guard you know so we actually formed if it’s under formal yes but we worked as hard as we could within the official communist structures are possible to try and change them but yeah absolutely I do think however that you have to you have to keep in mind the conditions that exist I mean the reality is it’s not easy there’s a whole lot of especially here in the backward country where and I say again I’m not saying this in a pejorative sense but in the sense of like not as developed you there’s even you’re primarily peasants and this what linen talk about it’s a different situation than just now in this globalized economy the worker you know so you know we have to taking take that in to get to take everything into consideration you know it was it wasn’t until not one single organization of the communist international pose the line that Stalin and the leadership of the Soviet Union took when Hitler came to power after eating the power that we may determination that working to try and reform this is absurd it couldn’t happen it’s going to leave more fascism if we do so sorry the diet tripod yes is it specific to the trotskyist and other people were interested in I ask for your help sorry does anybody else have any other like questions does anybody like skeptical about a concept I did read some of its most violent passages yeah the party’s need and you know be having the ability to not even worried about distributing goods people be so responsible industry so that doesn’t get us out of it but I think it’s not an accident that the most popular in the popular consciousness the version of communism you let’s not call that that’s the most popular star trek right where there’s no money I mean it’s really little incident right there’s no money everyone can just go follow stairs do what they want yeah post-scarcity well it seems to me that I mean in my view I guess that’d be a little skeptical the whole whether the state thing I think it could only happen if there really was no scarcity I think I mean and I know it depends on how technology goes I mean you know once i call historical materials i can see more historical interest i mean if someone invent some sort of back genetically engineered bacterium that can you know suck carbon dioxide and turn it into like motor oil then you know there were taken security you know probably utopian congress to us utopian in the far future but if there is no such technology the oil runs out and probably on the extremes yes or we could just we got but in that case you go back to you know i mean i’m sam gutelle the ability of like solar panels and winkles to power any sort of industrial civilization it would be 18th century technology we go back to which in that case it may have no longer seem at all possible to have you know everybody take what you need and in your state and last last week at the steady state economy panel discussion he’s saying that a steady state economy would be incompatible with capitalism and there’s this book by wendell berry called home economics there’s a chapter called two economies that’s kind of the

same ideas a steady state economy where there’s a the greater economy of the living world and then there’s an industrial economy he said the industrial economy is like a fund that it’s not replenish and you just draw from it till it’s gone and that’s represented by like mining and fossil fuel and a couple years ago there was a Nobel prize-winning article called the tragedy of the comment and this idea of the industrial economy raises some of the same problems as the tragedy of the comments how people in their own rational self-interest take a lot I mean not necessarily easy but it seems rather straightforward to me to think in terms of concrete action sticking with our historical materialism which conception of society is more likely it’s be able to avert a major disaster is it capitalism which we’ve seen consumed the environment with out any sort of regard and produce repeated crisises which we always forget crisis he’s on a bad thing Michael Franti made this point I thought of his father and press these aren’t bad things for capitalism it’s a surplus of Labor there 12.5 million people unemployed here Tina’s barely got a job today a minimum wage was like ecstatic she was gone they were asking for experience at the deli counter like they wanted you have a year experience with the deli slicer I mean if it’s it’s a great thing for calculus but what’s more what’s more likely to answer these problems a sort of planned economy be it socialism or another variety or the same stuff we’ve always got I think it’s I think it’s a straightforward analysis that we have to start cleaning in terms of we are running out of resources we are running out of time capitalism can feel it is family how do we bring it to its knees for me well a change of people absolutely I think another thing going along with like the idea of like a post-scarcity society surprise that like materialism materializes food for us there can be other other perceptions of that are right i mean like who’s to say like right now like the reasons for so for a great mom screen is that capitalism is destroying ecosystems it is destroying like the the places where we are able to generate that between things to benefit society and it does this not to produce goods for society it doesn’t this you know to produce things for novelty healthy profit for all this kind of thing so maybe with like you get a whole bunch of her that’s all the peripheral things superfluous worthless things the people of game that don’t really address people’s needs to have people you don’t even going around in third world countries I’m talking on cell phones while they’re like start you know so like yeah it produces all this and it’s destroying the world to do that but we don’t need them and think about all the hundreds of billions of billions of dollars wasted on advertising screams you that and not to mention a lot of these companies and especially know the change of people’s attitudes the Russian generation fast food industries are terrible this they have actually had programs and training plans to advertise the young kids is that’s when the most vulnerable for leading investment nation how they use these tactics like the swarming personal job on how they determine it’s to consumers by like seven types of light through Nagisa section they want kids corners of their skirts of the supermarket the bottom of the highest sugar frosted cereal when it actually is going to the value this may have processed ingredients made by labor that’s cheap subsidized it’s a nice day so yeah it brings up the issue is if you know if we weren’t you know producing all this stupid crap is incredibly environmentally destructive that did then know that what kind of post could post-scarcity society could we open up by replenishing the bounty that is already you know that isn’t nature right instead of instead of you know depleting it last week the contemporary marxist who came from the university of maine was sane well he’s talking about trans

individuation he’s saying in capitalism there’s an increase to exploitation of the trans individual and increase can modify commodification of a pre individual that desires for the market there’s also there’s a continental philosopher from austin texas who wrote about abstract greed which is more cultural and that you know people don’t aren’t greedy because they actually want more than everybody else they’re greedy because stuffs advertising in fashion and accessible token of success plenty of people of every single technologically advanced product on the market and cannot use of third product a perfect example might step father owns an iPad because it’s in both in several iPads because there was the ipad 2 and he owns all the iphones that he can operate the basic functions you can jump on the internet yeah send emails there’s ladies no idea how it works that’s the interesting part about the pre individual that Jason Reed was talking about is that you start to identify who am I looking intrinsically to my social relationships the way I treat other people the career path I follow the pre individual is that consumer looking at the market saying now what labels am I going to identify myself with Who am I what do I wear what brand of I might not occur my nightclub might and what is oh yeah what do you eat how do you dress what do you do i mean the the choices become not social evaluations in terms of real people engaging with others but in terms of what brands are going yeah I was gonna say I actually agree with you as far as scarcity I don’t think there’s never going to be a time we can have genuine communism without a minute scarcity and I think you’re right about the pre individual I also think scarcity is a fundamental part of why people are greedy because they don’t have enough you know if you have enough and if we can if we’ve eliminated the cultural barriers cultural and you know physical and social barriers to you know just taking what you need you know I mean do we have way more than we need in this society you know way more in and it doesn’t mean that we individually have it but it’s somewhere it could be in some warehouse waiting to be sold to somebody you know but no one has enough money to buy it whatever it is then we produce way more than we consume and we have to because that’s a cap isn’t works that’s how surplus value exists is that we produced more than we consume as workers so saying you need that surplus yeah you need that your life because you are not a stream well yeah and then yeah I mean it gets to ridiculous levels or King on getting iPods and losing their homes buzzer mean which is just totally absurd but it’s like it’s also just having that scarcity cuz I think that once you get to a level where that scarcity is gone and i think technologically were probably already there you know just a question of distribution you know sure are the only physically possible to eliminate already and it so long as the well that’s one thing is I think socialism socialist movements need to be ready for anything to be resilient enough to survive even as like the electricity or don’t even aside from you know peak oil like Facebook say being in the stream you know what if if all socialists you know clubs coordinate through the Facebook pages with your mobile phones and then one day that gets shut down because you know there is exactly like but I mean L like on a white skirt level I mean we don’t want to we don’t want to get so ingrained in the habit of lying on that you know paralyzed get shut down although the flip side of that is that now there’s all kinds of technology itself districts and it’s destroying capitalism we need to straighten music industry you know the reality is we can actually revolution to happen because of technology to a certain extent anything it’s been overblown like of Tunisia in Egypt but it certainly was a component of it I mean and so I think but my point is it’s a two it’s a double-edged sword and ultimately it also is a big source of overproduction for capitalism you know so I mean I all kinds of things all kinds of contradiction that are unsolvable the technology actually just makes it worse and worse and worse you

know in hacking and you can hear people who can hack in the systems and just do whatever you know so I just think and I don’t think that technology is going to be the savior of everything well probably to certain scent I do to a certain extent it’s not just resent it’s about just changing our cultural values changing the social and political barriers that exist in society and the redirect Lee distribution dimension of technology itself also seemingly I keep talking about food production because I like where your food porcus you look at you live but yeah I mean technology itself yeah it’s a good thing but I think it’s better than food productions become so which comes over I on growth hormones soil fertilizers chemicals added to the foods you know make it tastes very after all the stuffs would take out some can be taken that’s been in this area guess I think it’s my take it too far and I think abortion was some more supposed to get into or care provided reports and reliable central basis just and I’m interested how to trigger is gone but I was reading at this this woman’s article number of what her name I think and Robertson she wrote she wrote an article back in two thousand one and one of her true things was you know using foods that are organic and how about how that’s socialism and that her fur idea was it’s ridiculous at first but then when you actually look at why organic food it’s beneficial over the pesticide and indifferent modified foods it is beneficial for costs and it’s beneficial for society right and so it’s about feeding people and feeding people the best way possible which goes alone give its go home the farm stock quad more locally search for you why some foods we treated in the first place is because that’s the travel a thousand miles from farm to the supermarket shelf and capitalism long time oh yeah yeah really well just just a drive at home and kind of go back to Charles a lecture I think why the development of a state is so important is because if we if we look at all these other capitalist nations that you know their food supplies run out or or you know their economy goes to or they have some sort of economic crisis the the ones that are still alive and ones they still have a strong state apparatus at least one a working at rest let’s say that so it’s not political or better you can look at look at Cuba who’s been under economic stranglehold for you know decades now and they’re the only Latin American country that doesn’t have child malnutrition I mean it just in regards to socialism as a whole I think everyone has a similar recurring theme passing around here and that is we should utilize you know the use of value in commodities I know I said this last week I think easily emphasized you know we don’t need Furbys we don’t need you know five iPods what we need to do is feed people what we need to do is give them free education what we need to do are in the wars and the Mastiff ring you know if people worldwide at least that’s my five years versus line real quick what’s like people wrap this up at the let’s talk after that the cameras actually run out of batteries so I’m gonna shut it off