My Sun Conures Won't Leave Me ALONE! (Feat. MikeyMo)

– But they both get on their door perches So I don’t know what you want me to do – Just yeah, just show us what a training session looks like Targeting I think? Is that what you’re wanting to do? – Yeah, I’d like to see just kinda where you’re at, and then we’ll look at what you would like to achieve (wings flap) – He won’t usually come off my shoulder just going like this He’ll just like look at my finger (mumbles) – Okay walk up my hand – You got it? – Come on Getting him comfortable to go like anywhere, onto anything is like this slow process, where she’ll like jump on stuff just to get a treat (laughs) We can just force you off (wings flap) (bird chirps) Here you go (clicks) (upbeat music) – [Narrator] Part of the training that you’re not seeing is that it’s very important to target train first on the area that you want to be the stationing point, and then do short flights to that area, so that you know the bird understands to fly to that area, and then you’re going to gradually extend the distance as I’m about to show you in the rest of that video But I wanted to make sure that that part was very clear, that you had to do that training first to accomplish what I’m about to show you next (bird chirps) (taps) – Station (clicks) (bird chirps) So see how I’m not really requiring her to touch the stick It’s just more of a magic wand, or where to go – [Interviewer] I’ve never tried to do that with her before That’s cool – So I’ll wait for her to get bored (bird chirps) (mumbles) Actually, you know what? Come take her for a second I don’t want her to think she’s going to fly off of it for the trick (bird chirps) So go ahead and take her back where you just were (bird chirps) All right and, (taps) station (clicks) So I’m going to do, I’m going to have you come do the same thing in a minute, not yet. We’re going to try to extend the amount of time Cause I want her to start to look forward to flying here, because she’s going to get the treat versus flying to you, cause that’s self reinforcing – [Interviewer] That looks nasty – Hey little booger (laughs) – All right you want to pick her up? – What is that? – Is that like a piece of bread? – It’s pumpkin bread from when (bird chirps) – So what I’m trying to do is, have her associate coming back here with, “I might get a treat this time.” The long term goal is when she’s out She seemed to fly here because you might give her a treat – Okay – Wait a sec, and, yeah, go ahead and grab her, and walk to the other end of the kitchen please (bird chirps) See she may not even want to go now huh (grunts) (mumbles) – Here, station (taps) (wings flap) (clicks) (bird chirps) – [Interviewer] She’s like, “I like this guy because he’s nice.” – [Narrator] Um hmm – So this is, as you can see, the good person training job, but as you always hear it stated, training is very fluid, so we might set out to start one way, this is how it will be though (laughs) – [Narrator] And the reason that he doesn’t really wait for her to like fly off by herself is because she’ll like go fly somewhere and cause trouble, so that you’ll ask me to stay put – What I actually want is for her to not want to fly to you Like it was kinda hard for you to have her pick her up – [Interviewer] Uh huh – That’s better because you want her to stay in one spot longer Any resistance to step up right now, is because she knows she gets reinforcement here (bird chirps) So Station (taps) (clicks) (bird chirps) So the reason immediately target her back is that I don’t want her to think she has to leave and come right back I want her to stay, and so by you changing the dynamic, it sets it up how I want it, verses how she’s creating the situation – [Interviewer] Um hmm – All right so stand by to come get her All right come get her (wings flap) Oh, damn it – [Interviewer] You think Cookie’s being to loud? – All right (wings flap) (clicks) (laughs) Okay so this time it’s important you get her before she flies

So once she’s done, she’ll start pacing a little bit, – [Interviewer] Um, hmm – then I’ll have you come get her So I’m going to see if I can just, start to pair the word and get rid of the target stick (bird chirps) Okay, so go back to the same spot Oh, yes. It’s already working (laughs) – That was great (bird chirps) – [Instructor] I’m gonna try to transition this over to you So I’m gonna give you the stick (wings flap) I’ll still click (wings flap) She’s already figuring it out Let’s have her, will you come to me, yeah So why don’t you cue station and taps – Station (taps) (clicks) I don’t even know why I said that weird (laughs) – So I’m going to have you stand right at the edge, and I’m going to use you as a wall I’m gonna try to take her to stand right behind you, and have you say station and tap the perch, and see if she lands. Let Jamie click But I want to try to get it so we’re going to establish object permanence Meaning like with a baby, with your real baby, if you’re out of sight, you don’t exist And then at some point she develops object permanence and knows that oh you’re just around the corner – Around the corner, um hmm – So what I want to do is test that, by doing this (bird chirps) Okay so, go ahead – Station (taps) (wings flap) (clicks) (laughs) – [Instructor] And a treat – The treat no one gave me (laughs) Fail. Mom fail – [Instructor] So can you see how that can be extended? – [Man] Yeah – [Instructor] So the fact that she did it without, she heard you, and she heard you tapping that, and that’s where she pairs the cue – I’m so excited – [Instructor] In 12 reps – Yeah. Cool, okay I got to do something, y’all can leave now (laughs) – [Instructor] But what I want to do now is, lets just ignore her for five minutes Let her do whatever she wants, and then re-cue it wherever she is, if she’s with you, cause that’s the other thing, will she do it if she’s on you? So we’ll find out. Time her up – Yeah. Hey big big big bang (mumbles) – [Instructor] Uh yes, we’ll keep treats with you I’m gonna try to kinda hide this – Yeah cause she’ll land on there and just start eating it (wings flap) (mumbles) (laughs) – [Instructor] She yaps like, “oh I can go here and get treats.” Yeah That’s normal too – So now – [Instructor] They normally do that – Well yeah – She’ll try to grab whatever – She’ll climb on my head She’ll start crawling and hanging off my jacket while I’m walking (bird chirps) – [Instructor] All right, go ahead and cue her – Station (taps) (wings flap) (clicks) (bird chirps) – [Narrator] We’re going to see if she’ll fly from there (taps) – [Instructor] There you go, announce her – Station (taps) Station (taps) (bird chirps) Wrong one – [Instructor] Almost (laughs) (taps) (wings flap) – [Instructor] And click (clicks) Good. So you’d see how you expand it – I don’t know what else to teach her how to do – [Instructor] See now she’s gonna keep going there because she might get food (laughs) – This is great Station (wings flap) (clicks) (clicks) – [Man] How long? – [Instructor] I was trying to go a little bit longer (clicks) See how you can feel the tension of like, eh is she going to fly, we’re trying to get her right before she makes the decision to fly (bird chirps) (clicks) – Sorry a little more – Her head (laughs) – [Instructor] A little bit more time this time – Yeah (laughs) – [Narrator] You may want to work too, with her for the reward (clicks) – [Instructor] Not yet (bird chirps) If she fails just put her right back, don’t treat her (bird chirps) (clicks) See how much longer we had to make her wait We’re like really pushing to where it’s almost scary if she’s going to jump Now if she sees those she may fly to you so We need to check her truck again, further quicker (mumbles) (bird chirps) (clicks) – Who’s a big girl (coughs) (laughs)

It’s like the funniest thing (wings flap) – [Instructor] So set her back up there without a treat (clicks) – [Instructor] I think that’s all we’ll work on that, but that’s how you do it You got the feeling right? – Yep, I think I follow. Um hmm – So there’s two different ways to get her used to your thumb actually touching her foot The first way is you’re clicking the exact second that you touch her foot, and then you give her a treat I don’t think it’s gonna work with her I think the route that you need to go is the neuro linguistic programing route Which is, what we call NLP, and basically what it is, is rewiring the bird’s pleasure center from associating like, “Ahh I hate that,” to, “Ah, that feels good.” And the way you achieve that is by pairing the emotional sensation that she gets from getting her absolute favorite treat that she never gets anytime except for interactions with you, with that brief sensation of touching her foot It’s not pinching the foot, it’s not restraining her, it’s just that brief touching of the foot With Cookie, what I would do, is get her into what we call the Simon says effect So, if you’ve ever played Simon says, the way you win the game, you should get everybody into a rhythm You get them into this momentum of like Simon says touch your nose, Simon says touch your chin, touch your cheek, and you get them into this rhythm, and then you trick them It’s going to be similar with Cookie So you are going to do the same training we worked on today, where she steps up, both feet are here, she gets a treat, goes back down Steps up, both feet are there, gets a treat, steps back down. Steps up, gets a treat at the exact millisecond your thumb touches her foot, (clicks tongue) reprogramming that slowly, goes back down Then you’ll do another one or two reps without putting your thumb on, so she doesn’t think that every time the new behavior now is touch your feet, and then as you do more repetitions and more training sessions you might only get one of those the first session you do that day In the second session, let’s say you do five repetitions, two of those repetitions might be the foot touch, paired with the food at the exact same time And then the third session, don’t continue to expand Maybe leave it at one or two touches The next day, do one or two, maybe get to three, but we don’t want to rush it really fast It’s a slow progression Again thinking we want to just repair the feeling of touch the foot with a treat at the exact same time As that becomes boring and she doesn’t show any hesitation, then you can continue to do, you can bump it up to every single time you pick her up, it’s just a brief touch as you feed, and then you can extend the amount of time where it’s touch and feed let go And you get that from a millisecond, to a half second, to one second, to two seconds and eventually she’s reprogrammed that the touch of the foot is associated with that good feeling of getting her favorite treat And then you can see based on kind of how we expanded with the stationing, how you would continue to expand That’s where you can hold her longer and longer And then eventually you want to get to the point where you can just rest your thumb on there every time you pick her up and she just doesn’t care because it’s now associated positively Anything else beyond that that you’re thinking? – No, I think that’s probably the important stuff now, and gives me the direction that I need to accomplish that Because I was getting to the point where I was thinking like, she’s five plus years old, she just is not interested in this, she’s not gonna do it, there’s no way to do it You know, so hearing it like that obviously there’s the ability to move forward with it, or at least I know, you know, how so – I want to give another explanation of Simon says effect, the scientific term is behavioral momentum, and where it comes into play is kind of assigning a new cue So right now, we’re tapping so there’s audible (taps) plus we’re saying station and then the birds are flying to it So what we want to do is set up that pattern that momentum of this is exactly what I do I tap, tap, tap. Call Tap, tap, tap. Call The next time you might go through all the motions, but not actually tap, you just pointing, but because of bird has, you just subbed the pattern, and the bird’s expecting you to tap, and all you do is call, now the bird’s still gonna go, and you can phase out the target stick by doing that So again it would be like (taps) you know call, then try not to say station – Right because the bird was there – [Interviewer] It would ruin it. Yeah – But it would be tap, tap, tap. Call Tap, tap, tap. Call And then point and call And then you can point and call from then on out, and the bird will continue to go just by pointing and calling, and then you can step back a little bit. Point and call Point and call. Point and call So you’re increasing your distance too, so you don’t have to be right by the object you want the bird stationed to You can be over by the cages, you say station and you just point

and the bird will (tongue rolls) come over here, and when it does you click, and then you have time to come give a jackpot Always think back small steps If you’re failing go back to the last step where you were succeeding, and then rebuild that So the failure point might be, you set up for the behavioral momentum and you stopped tapping, and the bird doesn’t go, well it’s not quite ready for it So continue the tap, tap tap. Call Tap, tap, tap. Call. Until that’s, – [Narrator] Maybe just less taps – Really solid. Yeah and then it could be tap, call Tap, call – [Interviewer] Okay – And then no tap call – [Narrator] If you need to go back, you know, if you’re just like, oh they’re not getting it, or not responding, try even smaller approximations – [Interviewer] All right – And I know I mentioned a few times, I just want to say it one more time, so it’s really important, the idea is to increase the amount of time the bird’s here, you will quickly erase all of that training if the bird quickly learns to finish the treat fly to you, and then you immediately call it back, and gets another treat, and then when it’s done it flies off and you immediately call it back You just want to make sure that the pattern isn’t based off of when she wants it, she flies to a certain spot Because the idea is we want to extend the amount of time here It’s a hard one to explain on video, but it’s true – [Interviewer] I understand – To kinda what you guys saw – [Interviewer] Yeah – It should hopefully help (yells) (laughs) – They got it, both in one training session – Yeah – Without a lot of motivation – And you know, I’m thinking that, though it what was a high treat value but based on what they’ve been eating, it’s – [Man] It might be even easier once we get the diet aspect squared away because that’s gonna be like gold – Yeah – Um hmm – So to sum it up, the hormones are the first thing to tackle. Which is pretty easy from the cage covers, the snuggle huts are out, part of, again kinda jumping back to the diet, it transitions from the hormonal stuff, into really healthy diet So, you know the chop, I think we decided we were just going to do chop for breakfast and dinner for the conures, and then add the pellets in there and once they start eating it, then we can clean up that diet and make sure that that’s exactly what they need Make sure that you’re weighing them in this process, because we don’t want to see them lose weight What was the one thing that stood out the most as kind of an aha moment or your biggest take away from having us work one on one – How quick everything just happened by just doing it – Yeah – You just did it (laughs) We’re all like, oh come here, hold on, just here, just you know, come on. You guys were just like oop boop Like it just happened. Like it’s just the attitude, the mentality about it You just didn’t hesitate It was great – For me it was the small new answers Where I think I was probably at maybe 95% of doing what I should do and not having an outside knowledgeable person looking in to see that extra 5% of the little things that I needed to tweak or change and you know, at the end of the day, they were like important things, and are potentially going to make big changes for, you know, the future training So for me that’s what was important to me As you guys were telling us, and like we told you when you first came here, be honest with us tell us what we need to do because the idea of having you come into our home is you guys are the professionals, and we’re supposed to learn from you And so you did that and the funniest thing to me is one, I didn’t know and like we joked off cameras, she just custom made these covers, had the sowing machine out on the table, and fitted them and we’re thinking we’re doing the greatest thing ever, you know, and nice fitted things, Velcro, boom they’re solid dark, they’re gonna get the sleep that they need, and come to find out that’s really not the way to do it So on one hand I was excited to learn that, but on the other hand I was like, oh God all that work that she just did, you know, so – Yeah that was just, that’s the way I felt – It’s like a bitter sweet kinda thing – [Instructor] Yeah – [Narrator] Unfortunately – But it’s nice to know, like, that those things, eliminating those issues, like the little birdie hut, and the covers will bring them an attitude improvement Hopefully – No more – [Instructor] Yeah – Yep (laughs) – [Instructor] I think between getting rid of the hormonal triggers and the just cleaning up the diet and the handling, I thing you guys are going to see a huge difference – Yeah – [Narrator] Yeah – [Instructor] And I think it’s going to be over the next week, you’ll see a pretty big improvement and I think over the next month, if you go back and you watch handling from earlier today, compared to a month from now, you’re going to think it’s two totally different birds

– Yeah – Yeah – [Narrator] Yeah, realizing actually that you had taken that out this morning and not last night I’m super impressed that we got anything done today Like, made the progress that we actually did So the fact that we can make that much progress in the current situation means that you guys are going to be skyrocketed forward once the diet is correct, and everything is in alignment – [Instructor] What she means is that’s what they did to us this morning (laughs) – It’s not eaten (laughs) – One simple job – [Instructor] Merry Christmas! You’re probably watching this in March (laughs) (upbeat guitar music)