Virtual Town Hall hosted by the Baylor Black Alumni Alliance and the Baylor Alumni Latino Group

in the midst of the covet 19 pandemic we are also dealing with another crisis systemic racism one that has been going on for centuries and that we can only hope will one day be resolved protests took place around the world for george after george floyd was killed by police officers on may 25th 2020 after being accused of using a counterfeit twenty dollar bill his neck was compressed by an officer’s knee while he was in handcuffs for roughly nine minutes he later died numerous other instances of racism against african americans have led to demonstrations against police brutality and systemic and institutional racism that many feel have gone unchecked for decades however recently we have noticed a tipping point people of all races have become fed up we are finally acknowledging and weeding out racist symbols in american culture major companies are considering rebranding their products that are perceived as racist confederate statues are being removed streets are being renamed black lives matter the structure of police departments are being reconsidered we can only imagine what’s on the horizons as christians we we have to take the leadership role in race relations tonight we have come together as a baylor family to discuss solutions and to brainstorm ideas about what we do to make baylor more inclusive were the impetus and energy for tonight’s panel the presidents of both alumni organizations marie brown and taran or suno allen got together to brainstorm ideas about something that would be meaningful not only for alumni but also for current students and the university as a baylor alumni class of 2001 and 1998 and chair of the baylor department of journalism public relations and new media it is an honor to moderate this panel tonight brown and allen gathered a group of esteemed panelists including representative colin allred president linda livingstone dr michael mcfarland and renee maciel please join me in welcoming them representative colin allred is an american politician civil rights lawyer and former professional football player president linda livingstone has served as president of baylor university since 2017-17 regent michael mcfarland is the superintendent of schools of crowley isd where he serves more than fifteen thousand students across twenty three campuses regent renee maciel serves as the mission’s pastor at first wave baptist church in waco texas before we begin this town hall meeting let’s discuss how it is organized we have three questions organized along the following areas historical baylor baylor student concerns faculty staff retention christian mission and the future of baylor university as it relates to students of color we will have an opportunity to take a few of your questions at the end so be sure to subscribe and using the function as part of representative allred’s introduction he has requested a few additional minutes to discuss four important topics the covet 19 pandemic bills that are circulating in the house policing reforms personal personal accounts of current events and social and racial injustices i will now turn it over to representative allred to discuss his thoughts well thank you dr moody ramirez and uh good to see you dr mcfarland and president livingstone and renee maciel thank you for uh being with me uh letting me join you this evening um i’m gonna have to uh jump off this here in a little while because we are having a delegation um phone call right now about the crisis that’s going on in texas uh with cobot 19 and i’m i’m really sorry that i’m not going to be able to be on for this entire panel because i really was looking forward to it and as a baylor alum i am just really thrilled

that we’re even having this conversation um and you know i just want to begin of course i think the baylor black alumni alliance and the latino alumni group for hosting this and for asking me to join i am a proud alum uh from the class of 05 so not that long ago and i was also a football player at baylor where i was the captain of our team in my senior year uh and you know my experience at baylor is probably a bit different having been a student-athlete because i moved in very diverse circles we were constantly together as teammates and anybody who’s played uh in our division one sports knows how demanding that time frame is but as somebody who grew up in dallas was raised by a single mother who went to our public schools here in dallas and went to a school that was very diverse that was our largest demographic group was latino second largest demographic group was african-american and then uh you know you’d have your white population that was much smaller at my school coming to baylor was you know a bit of a culture shock initially and uh you know i’m not sure that at that time we had the same kind of uh focus and understanding around the need for us to constantly provide our students of color coming into these settings with the support around them to make sure that they feel not only welcome but can thrive and i’m i know that under president livingstone the baylor is moving in the right direction and i’m a big fan of yours madam president and so thank you for what you’re doing uh for our school because all of us uh who went to baylor want to see it be a leader not only in academics but also in turning out incredibly well-rounded young people who also embrace the diversity that our country has that are now not only not discriminatory or indiscriminate in their actions but are actively anti-racist and i think that you know every major movement for change in our country that’s ever taken place has been led by people of faith it’s been led uh by folks who drew on that faith and drew on the tenets of our faiths to understand uh the inherent equality in all people and also the need for us to reach out and to be a part of the solution and so i think that both as an educational institution as an and as an institution of faith that baylor is uniquely positioned to really be you know a productive part of where we need to go from here and i’ll just say this about you know diversity i think oftentimes we we talk about diversity as though it is a benefit to the individual student whether they’re african-american latino native american whatever asian whatever it might be that that we are giving them something by trying to engage with them or to the faculty member but what we’ve learned from you know social science and from folks who’ve studied this is that it’s a benefit benefit for the entire organization for the entire atmosphere for any group that you’re entering that it’s better to have more diverse voices at the table to have women at the table that people have colored the table the people from different backgrounds so that you when you reach decision making or you have a discussion it’s more representative and can go deeper and so you know i i think that for us moving forward uh for those of us who who love baylor uh we want to continue to see us you know become uh you know more diverse and more focused on on retaining uh recruiting uh diverse faculty and staff of course uh but also making a place that’s welcoming for students of color coming in uh but you know i know that uh there’s there’s gonna be some challenges around doing that and i’m happy to play any role that i can uh in helping with that i just want to touch really quickly on what we’re trying to do in congress right now because you know i think that this is a in many ways an inflection point for our country and inflection points mean you can go one way or the other and and i think that we have a real chance uh to have some positive outcomes from these crises that we’re seeing copic 19 the death of george floyd and the subsequent movement around it in many ways have held up a mirror to our society and shown us so many things that we knew were there uh that we just haven’t always been able to discuss honestly and that’s the same it goes for baylor it goes for any institution that exists in our country uh but it also i think has forced us to have much more honest conversations uh than we have had really in my lifetime uh and you know if you uh were going to any of the you know protests in dallas you would see faith leaders there talking about uh using their faith to lead and to to appeal to our better angels you see very diverse folks in the group

there to try and call for it an end to uh you know to any form of systematic racism and to push for uh reforming of our relations relationships between our police and our communities of color uh and you know we are trying to do that through legislation in congress as well and i just want to make sure everybody knows that that you know this is uh something that you know we rep we recognize as a chance for us to do something i hope that on a bipartisan basis that you know without kind of getting into ideology or politics or anything like that that we can use as an opportunity uh to move us forward uh by providing uh some reforms that will actually both improve our relationships between our law enforcement and our communities of color and also tear down some of the barriers uh that exists but you know the one of the first things of course is to have to be to get past copen19 and you know the the impacts of coba 19 have not been felt equally and and that’s something that you know we have to stress uh when you’re talking in dallas county you know 60 percent of our cases are latino we’re talking about hospitalizations in dallas county 80 percent of our hospitalizations are what we call essential workers which we know are disproportionately black and latino and many of the underlying conditions that make coping 19 more lethal are also more prevalent in our communities of color for for many of the reasons uh that i’m sure you know we y’all will discuss uh this evening and so we have to not only tackle this virus but we have to try and tear down these barriers that have been for far too long in place uh making it uh too hard for all americans to chase their virgin american dream and that’s kind of where i want to to wrap up by saying that for me baylor was a part of my american dream i was raised by a single mother who was a public school teacher and we don’t pay our teachers enough so we didn’t have a lot of money but i got a scholarship to baylor and for me baylor was a springboard i got into law school while i was at baylor but then had a chance to play in the nfl for five years until i hurt my neck then went to law school and became a lawyer and worked in president obama’s administration and now i have the honor of serving the community that i grew up in but none of that would have been possible for me without baylor and i really want to stress that because an institution like baylor can open so many doors it can change lives and it did for me it changed my life the fact that i had those years playing at old ford casey stadium uh trekking over there for games and practices every day uh and the you know the experience of going to also a university that was small enough that that folks cared about me but big enough where i could be exposed uh to you know the full university uh experience and you know it’s a special place and and i i know that we’ve you know gone through some tough times uh and we’ve had things that have required us uh as baylor alums to uh look at ourselves and look at our our university um but i i also recognize that the like kind of the foundational things that are in place at baylor that make it a special place are there we’ll be there and we’ll be there into the future and into perpetuity and to me those things are you know some of the things i just mentioned in addition to you know the christian mission and you know i don’t talk a lot publicly uh about my faith but i draw all my faith very deeply uh and it’s it’s extremely important to me uh and it’s also an extremely important part of my decision-making process and the things that i do every single day and for me even though i’m not baptized my family’s methodist my faith was deepened at baylor and it gave me a chance to be around and in a community where i had a chance to pursue that you know to take old testament to take new testament to yes to go to chapel president and have to you know swipe my card to make sure that i i was counted as being there um but you know i enjoyed that and for me it brought out things in me uh that um you know i don’t think i would have gotten at another institution and so because it’s a special place and because it means so much uh to me i want to make sure that that experience is available to as many people as possible and to people of every different background uh because i think within our faith and the teachings of our faith is you know fundamentally what it comes down to is the responsibility to take the grace that we’ve been given and to use whatever skills we have while we’re on this earth to extend a helping hand to others and what better way could we do that than to be a part of tearing down some of the barriers that we all know are inconsistent with our faith and inconsistent with our ideals as a country uh and so uh you know i am really happy uh that we’re having this conversation i think it’s great that president livingston is here uh and i know that you know she’s gonna continue to lead us uh in a positive direction but obviously it’s going to have to go

past tonight it’s got to go past this evening and have to go past us answering questions it’s going to require a long-term commitment uh we took it took us a long time to get into this position it’s going to take us a long time to get out of it my pastor likes to say that you know when you’re in a tough spot just do the next right thing you know don’t try to lie don’t try to go back and change the facts just do the next right thing and then the next right thing and then the next right thing until you get out of that tough spot and for us the next right thing certainly is to work on the institution that we care about baylor university work on the country and the state that we care about and to try to move forward in a way that’s much more inclusive and that really can continue to try to perfect our union and so i’m going to jump on this call to talk about how we’re going to try and keep you all safe and try to deal with what’s happening with covet 19 and try to you know reverse what’s happening in texas because we are one of the hottest spots uh in the country and i’m sorry i won’t be able to stay with you but thank you so much for giving me a chance to join you this evening and to dr mcfarland and mr martial and president livingstone uh and to you dr moody ramirez thank you for your time and and for uh having this conversation well thank you for sharing your testimony representative albrecht and you really are a testimony to how scholarships can help people um and and you have really done well and we are proud of you we’re proud to have you as part of the baylor family so thank you and good luck thank you for being with us yes see you again okay so now we will move on to the panel discussion uh let’s begin by discussing baylor’s history as we all know those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it historically baylor has been slow to make improvements in diversity and inclusion efforts dr vavine malone mays was hired as a mathematics professor at baylor in 1966 only five years after being denied admittance to the school as a graduate student she was among the first black women in the nation to earn a phd in mathematics at 2019 baylor dedicated a bronze bust of dr malone mays and it is on permanent display outside the entrance of the math department and sid richardson building if you haven’t gotten a chance to see it please visit it it’s beautiful in 2000 the black the baylor black alumni dr vaveen malone may’s endowed scholarship was created in her honor so as you can tell we are slow to make change but we do change at baylor in another example reverend robert louis gilbert class of 1967 was baylor’s first african-american graduate later in the day he was joined by the first female african-american democrat barbara walker people don’t know about barbara walker as much in 2001 when i was hired there were eight black faculty at baylor university there are 16 so that has doubled that’s progress ever so slight and of course there is more work to be done but baylor i would say that baylor is definitely moving in the right direction and we will talk more about reverend robert lewis gilbert and barbara walker in a few minutes because we have some exciting things on the horizon that we’re going to do in their honor so for the question how does the university plan to utilize the baylor black alumni alliance latino alumni group and the black faculty and staff association to ease racial tensions and promote equality among black students of color president livingstone we would like to hear from you first as you serve as a key visionary for the university well thank you dr moody ramirez and it’s a pleasure to be with everyone tonight i especially want to thank uh marie and taran for putting this together and having the vision for uh this conversation this evening and you know this is such an important time in the history of our country as we look at these issues but i think it’s also uh a seminal time for baylor as well and we have i think a particularly important role and i think representative allred said it well as a christian institution of higher education to really be an example for others that can be very very important and i think as we look at this situation it’s really important that at baylor we sort of get outside of the baylor bubble and hear the voices that are out there and think about our role in all of this and certainly part of that is taking action which we have certainly

made some announcements recently about that we’ve announced diversity education for all of our students faculty and staff in the fall which is something we haven’t done comprehensively in the past we have established a baylor conversation series on racial healing and justice that you dr moody ramirez were a part of the last couple of weeks um our board of regents stepped forward and made a statement that really said that you know our christian mission does not align with issues of racism and we’ve got to live our lives on our campus according to scripture and to really be concerned about issues of social justice and racism and then of course the the regents established a commission on historic campus representations to say how do we tell our story more accurately about the history of the university but actions are really important we have to keep doing that and there are many more we need to take but i think another really important part of what we’re doing is listening and it’s not just listening but it’s really hearing what those voices are telling us on our campus and in our community and i really think that’s where the baylor black alumni alliance the latino alumni group and our black faculty and staff association along with our faculty of color can be really valuable to us you know they’re very distinct organizations with diverse communities even within them among those different populations and very strong leadership and they can really help assist us as a university in charting a path forward that really creates a future for baylor all members of our community whether it’s our faculty staff students alumni and friends of color all feel valued and all feel heard and i think they can help us better understand the climate on our campus uh the way our institution is perceived by others and then the steps that we need to take so that all members of our community feel cared for feel loved and feel fully engaged in campus life and so you know as part of that one of the things that we’ve heard is just about the need for more support for our students of color uh more scholarship opportunities and so um we have initiated a conversation on campus about what it means to create a meaningful scholars program that helps provide both scholarship support uh and resources for students who really care deeply about racial conciliation really care deeply about addressing these issues so uh we’re real excited to announce this evening that we’re going to create a trail blazers scholars program in honor of people like our first graduates of the institution gilbert and walker and hope that this will be one small part of the steps that we take going forward to really support better diversity on our campus we are committing as an institution five million dollars in scholarship support to launch the trailblazer scholars program and we certainly want alumni and friends of the university to come by alongside us that we can continue to grow and develop this program to make it a really significant part of what we do on our campus so we’ll select students every year for this program there’ll be a cohort they’ll receive scholarship dollars and they’ll also be some leadership development programs in place to help these students really contribute an important ways on our in our campus community so i’m eager to tell people more about that as we flesh that out in the in the weeks and months ahead but you know the conversation tonight uh the organizations that are they’re a part of this you’re gonna be really helpful to us as we move forward and really begin to make a bigger difference in the culture of baylor in the years well that’s certainly a great plan and i have i am excited as a faculty member and i’m certainly looking forward to that thank you president livingstone how about you regent mcfarland do you have any suggestions based on your years in administration and your experiences at baylor as well sure just specifically uh i’ll talk first about just my experience at baylor and as a student uh what i would have wanted and also kind of what i believe both the baylor black alumni and the latino alumni group could do i think one of the things is as students the first thing you want to know is that you’re not invisible that you are that you are present that people recognize your humanity that that you have a voice and so i think it is so important for the baylor black alumni and the latino alumni group to continue to elevate the voice of the students that are currently on the on the campus as well as those that have that have gone on beyond going on uh and graduated it’s so important for the people who are in leadership to hear about the experiences of people who are currently within our within our school systems and within our with our university because what i believe is this i believe that if the people who are in the authority actually hear firsthand what students are experiencing what they’re feeling

what faculty faculty is here is experiencing and feeling that i believe that we’ll be able to create some systems that will help us address some of the challenges often times when people don’t feel heard or they don’t feel like there’s an avenue for them to be heard then that creates the animosity that creates the the disconnect and that really creates sometimes the negative feelings that oftentimes exist from a small minority population so i think the first thing uh the alumni group uh the baylor black alumni and administrators can do is create a way to where we systematically provide students an opportunity for them to be heard and you know it’s more than just a diversity group or more than just a just an office but it’s creating some kind of mechanism where people feel really hurt and really appreciated they’re acknowledged and their concerns are not just brushed off that that’s important that’s number one i think what we’re doing tonight is a prime example we’re doing this tonight and that makes me feel like this university really wants to understand and hear how it can be better i think we got to do more of this oftentimes people think that we we’re looking for a solution most of the times we simply want to be heard because we can solve our own problems i can guarantee that students can give you the solution to the problems if we listen to them and so i’m definitely definitely encouraged by this that’s the first thing so the second thing though is is as uh president livestone has already said i mean i think it’s an outstanding uh a move to be able to create this this program this trailblazers or this scholar scholar program that we can actually really begin to address as to why uh kids are from poverty or kids of cities some of the barriers one of the key behaviors is just financially it is prohibited it’s just not it’s just it’s just extremely expensive for students to attend our university to realize that and so i think creating avenues to remove those barriers man i i’m definitely excited to hear about this about the program you mentioned president livingstone but the third thing is i do believe that that we have to have some systematic uh uh uh programs and things that we put in place so for example i know that baylor has a tuition i think it’s called the tuition uh benefit of tuition remission i’m not sure what the appropriate name is but i believe for for professors who need a certain qualifications uh they have their their their uh uh students or their um children have the ability to attend baylor either the discounted rate or at a a extremely big extremely discounted rate and i believe that is something that is available to uh professors i’m not sure if it’s available to all employees and so one thing i can say is that in many universities they have they make that benefit available to all employees the reason why that’s so important is that if you can think about the people that are that are maintaining the grounds of baylor university the custodians of baylor university the cafeteria workers although it may be a contract situation but if there is a way that we could figure out how to create a benefit for the children of those people who are working at baylor university that are maybe in a lower pay grade or in a lower social economic status we can in essence we can increase our diversity by really creating this program that systematically allows for the the children of people who are working at baylor university to attend baylor university at a reduced rate or in some kind of some kind of a reduced rate so i think that the baylor black alumni i think that the latino alumni working with administration i think we can collectively come up with some creative ways to say diversity is important so let’s figure out how do we diversify our population from within uh also the the last thing is i i think that that in any organization the chief recruiters are the people from within that organization so if we have our stu if our students are feeling more engaged and more excited about the university then i can very i can see where we would be able to use members of our current baylor black alumni and members of our latino alumni group to actually help to recruit others to come in to the university and i think having a systematic way to do those things would help us to address our diversity issues but i do believe that we don’t we on the right track but i do think it’s important for us to do some something specific for the employees who may not currently uh be able to participate in that benefit okay so um i think those are all great ideas and i agree that people definitely want to be heard and that’s usually when you ask people uh what they think one of the issues is is they feel like they’re not being heard and i do like the idea of having helping financially that’s what enabled me to go to texas a m in 1986 they actually had something that was called the presidential award and that was actually a full ride for students and of course they cut all of that out with affirmative action but those programs are very helpful for people of color and i also do i like the idea of extended tuition remission

uh for staff faculty and staff so if we could get the alumni association both alumni associations to look at that i think that would be very helpful so thank you that was very helpful uh regent maciel do you have anything else to add i would just let me say first of all that you know in my time of being at baylor and not only as a student they’re a graduate student there but also working there for 13 years in admissions and recruitment and then also coming back to baylor later on and serving at truest seminary as an assistant dean there at the seminary i was always looking around honestly i was always looking around me to see someone that i could relate to i i wanted to relate to somebody and i’d always look around to see how many hispanics were in the room i was always looking around the uh to see how many staff were considered hispanic or african-american i was always challenged by the fact that there was most of the hispanics that i did see around the institution were working in the gardens or working around the campus and so it was in 1986 a matter of fact that her reynolds called me in i was a lowly admissions counselor and herb reynolds called me in and said renee we have got to recruit more hispanic students to the institution how do we do that and i was the hispanic recruiter at the university i would go to all the hispanic texas schools throughout texas that were considered hispanic institutions and uh i would just like like dr mcfarland was saying i would bemoan the fact that many of the students that i was talking to were not going to be able to come to baylor university as much as i was trying to get them to come to baylor university that was not going to happen for the simple fact they just did not have the finances and on the second thought was just the idea they would not fit in they would not see people of culture but dr reynolds how do we do it and i said well dr reynolds tell me tell me who your regions are that are of culture of ethnicity and he says i have none i said well tell me about your administration do you have any administrators that are of ethnicity or black or hispanic none any faculty and there was a few at that time in 1986 and i said well i i think it’s going to be important for students of culture for students of color for them to be able to come here first of all from a financial standpoint but also to be able to see people they could relate to it’s going to be important for them to see faculty and staff and administration and regions that they can relate to and he says i need your help do you know of anybody that would be interested i said yes i do a matter of fact my dad would be a perfect regent and my dad was the first hispanic region in 1990 and it made him young again he thoroughly enjoyed serving vader again he was a graduate in 1952 but he thoroughly enjoyed his time as a region at vader and i learned a lot from that from my dad but at the same time i realized the important thing for us as an institution i want to say this i am not a theologian i am a son of a of an educator my dad was an educator public education and he was also a biblical pastor and so my theology comes from a man who who loved god and loved loved people and so let me just say this i really believe as as representative allred and also dr mcfarland stated a while ago some some great ideas but i really believe this is a spiritual matter that we as an institution have to look at as a spiritual matter that we see the brokenness and the things that we have done over past but also looking pat to the forward looking to the future of how we can continue to change the institution and one thing i thought about right away as we look at the black alumni alliance and also the latino the latino alumni group maybe the idea of really developing this a day of prayer for justice and healing that we call leaders together in our community that we ask our community and the university to come together just for a day of prayer just to start just to start there from the standpoint of a spiritual healing that we need as an institution i think also it’d be good for us to have a maybe a board of advisors that we call on from this these groups the latino group and also from the black alliance that we can put together a board of advisors or people that can speak into some of these things that dr mcfarland talked about would be key and important for us scheduled meetings maybe a phased plan where we have a chance to look at the equity issues and the racial tension that is going on but really showing our community our better family here are the steps that we are going to take to ensure that we are moving forward that we are progressing in caring and loving and moving forward and moving past some of these racial inequities that have happened over time and again for me i just think it’s such an important thing for us as an institution what a

what an opportune time for us as an institution to be able to take this forward and be able to move the institution uh to a different day in the way we care for people and that brokenness i truly believe with all my heart dr moody ramirez it begins with me it begins with me i i have to tell you it begins with me from the standpoint of caring for people around me considering them noticing them caring for them and i would also recommend to president livingstone of calling in black leaders in our community and hispanic leaders in our community and she’s tried i know she’s tried because i’ve been in some of those meetings but continue to make an effort in calling these leaders together and using them as liaisons as the students are coming to campus as the parents are coming to campus to help them be more acclimated to the institution and acclimated to waco as well because again it’s still a it’s still an odd number for a number of students that are coming of culture to baylor university and feel feel uh adjusted and feel good about being at the institution and i know again president livingstone and the board of regents are making a tremendous effort with this commission of being able to change things and i’m excited to be a part of that thank you hey thank you for those thoughts i i agree i think it is important to see people who look like you and unfortunately many of the students talk about that they talk about when i was eight because i would run i wouldn’t see another person i wouldn’t see another hispanic person and i would imagine that that would be tough it’s tough when you don’t see people who look like you and i can say that that has definitely changed if you walk around on campus now you will see more people of color so that’s definitely one area that baylor has changed in and i definitely agree that change begins with the person in the mirror so i appreciate your thoughts so now we’re going to move on to the student concern section uh so the hashtag dear baylor it was inspired by the hashtag dearpwi which refer which offers a safe space for black indigenous and people of color at baylor to share their experiences on instagram post note that baylor students like students across the country are frequently called on to answer questions in class about the black experience they are frequently stereotyped as lacking intelligence and singled out and ridiculed for their ethnicity how does baylor plan to nurture the students of color where they feel valued as students and not just a statistic at baylor regent mcfarland we would like you to answer this question first because of your unique perspective as a black alumnus and now regent all right thank you so i think uh you know that’s a it’s that’s a really a very difficult question but i can tell you that the work that i’ve heard that dr liverstone is planning with diversity training and implicit bias training that kind of training is a start i mean i think it’s we we have to recognize that all of us i have bias we all have bias we are in that bias if we’re not if we’re not intentional about addressing it and recognizing it then that bias will come out in what we do so reality is if if the professors are of a different ethnicity a different income level a different culture from the students then you’re going to have bias and if you don’t have any knowledge of another student’s race ethnicity or or you know upbringing then that that bias is going to come come through in your practice not good or bad but it’s just there and we got to recognize that it’s fair i think the training is the first part because really the student’s interaction baylor is an idea baylor is a concept the baylor is really the people that i interact with and so if the people that students interact with are treating them in a way that that’s that’s different than what what our mission and our vision is then i think that’s that’s the that’s the issue that we have to address and i think training is really the number one way to be able to do that and then really making sure that that we have uh systems in place where kids where students can be heard and they can go to people that they can go to for me one of the one of the uh during my experience i had several uh situations that happened to me but what i remember most was the fact that i had people that i could go to and they were not always african-american people they were uh coaches it was actually uh registrars and other people who i could go to who i knew treated me as a human being and so their ethnicity did not make the difference what made the difference was their heart and i think their heart was the way it was because of the training and expectations that they have been laid now i do believe that there is a need for more uh more culturally diverse uh uh staff and professors however i think most important is that people are trained to treat people as people that understand other cultures i think that’s the most important thing that we can do

okay thank you uh so i and it correct me wrong so you’re the most important thing fall and then we need to make sure that we have systems in place to follow up uh and then when you were a student uh you experienced some things but you felt like you had people that you could go and talk to they didn’t have to necessarily be african-american as long as their hearts were in the right place that’s correct that’s good that is correct and it’s probably uh you know during my undergrad because i attended baylor twice during my undergrad and then also for for my my doctorate and in both situations my undergrad i was a athlete and so of course the the natural security uh safety net was my coaches and coach taft coach pickle and others but also there were ladies in the financial aid office and there were ladies in the registrar’s office that took a special interest and so they made the difference quite frankly there were situations but those people i could go to made the difference we also had an organization that was called back then the association of black students and so that organization gave me another space and a vehicle to be able to uh to be able to express concerns if we had him and so i know there are a lot of different student organizations now at baylor and i think that’s good because i think that’s great for kids and great for students to be able to have outlets for sure yes i would definitely say that organizations would be an an important piece multicultural affairs thank you michael uh next uh regent maciel do you have any thoughts on this particular topic i guess this is a night of confession for me because i i definitely would say that i’m an emotional pastor and i went to a baylor basketball game one night when uh president livingstone gave a scholarship away to a hispanic young lady and for me i was not crying because the way bader was playing basketball i was crying because of the incredible event that happened there i don’t know if you had a chance to be there maybe many of you had a chance to be there but as she gave that scholarship not only to that young lady because it wasn’t just to that young lady it was to the family and the hispanic family is very much of family connections but the thing that was missed there more than anything else it was an incredible thing and i cried through the whole thing and i think later on shot a note to president libby stone about that but the most incredible thing that we missed there was as i watched that young lady walk off the court and walk with her family to the sideline she didn’t have any other connections there was nobody else of culture of colder that i can remember and maybe this is a wonderful time for us to develop liaisons in our community of culture hispanic leaders african-american leaders that can help us to be able to to move along this experience of students that are coming to baylor and somewhere along the line maybe it’s even that as they move in that they have a chance to meet some of these uh liaisons these hispanic and african-american liaisons in our community that help them assimilate to the culture of vader to the culture of waco texas and again it was the most incredible experience again i’ve ever think i’ve ever seen at baylor university i loved it but i i so wished that that young lady and family were embraced past the court to understand we’re so glad you’re here we’re going to be here for you we’re glad you’re going to be a part of our baylor family and i’m so grateful that baker is making these strides by having this conversation tonight but there does need to be more opportunity where we have liaisons in our community of culture of the hispanic community and i meet monthly with hispanic pastors and also african-american pastors just to connect with them and how important that is for us as an institution that we have those connections in town that at monumental times like that scholarship which was again just blew me away would give us opportunity to make sure that that student of culture uh started her experience or started his experience with it with an ex from the standpoint of meeting and knowing others in the community that believe and have a heart and and hope for baylor university and again i i know that young lady probably is close to graduating i’m not sure how long ago it was president livingstone but it was an amazing thing and i i hope baylor will give more opportunities to let those experience those students experience not only the highlight of receiving the scholarships like dr mcfarland talked about but also to to from the very beginning to maybe assimilate them into the baylor family from that very moment they get there uh to the move in to the first weeks and months because let me just tell you this as as i served as a president of hispanic institution down in san antonio many of those hispanic students and probably many african-american students the very first month they are there they’re thinking i i can’t do this i can’t do this i i don’t have that

support i don’t have my family i’m not seeing the same culture the same color and many of them are thinking about going home the first month and after they get past the first month all of a sudden they think well maybe i can do it the second one and they begin to believe in themselves but i’m telling you how important it is for us to have liaisons or people from the community that are helping them along the way to adjust to the experience that they’ll have at bader and again i know they’ll have an incredible experience at vader but how important it is for us to do better at helping through that assimilation as well yeah no doubt can i add something to that all right so i guess the other thing is as he was speaking one thing i thought about is we used to have a requirement and it may be still in place there was a requirement that if you were part of a student club organization we had to perform community service and so that was really my the reason why i continue to do meals on wheels and all that today is because baylor required that through associate through abs back in associated black students that that was our that was our project so and i think about dia de los and i think about all the other different i think about seeing in in 93 we were we had a group that was a part of scene in 93 and so i think the more that we can include all groups the black groups the other multicultural groups the latino groups into the life of the university and if there is some kind of way that we can we can encourage groups of different ethnicities and different cultures to perform projects together because it’s important not only just for just for the adults to be able to relate to the students but for the students of different cultures to be able to relate to each other and the way they do that you do that by playing together by working together and so in from a systematic standpoint if there was a way for us to require the greek organizations to work with different cultures or require the other student government organization to work with with different cultures and and throughout through my process i’m required to work with you i realize that i’m just like you like we have way more in common than we have that are different and then you you’ll be amazed at how you know the other issues that we see right now that come oftentimes just from just because we don’t talk to each other you start to talk to each other we’re working together we’re we’re playing together we start to appreciate each other and ethnicity and race and all those issues are not as significant once we do that good i would agree it’s a give and take relationship and both the students and the community will benefit right that’s wonderful that’s a wonderful suggestion now we will move on president livingstone as the president of baylor how do you feel these concerns should be addressed i love hearing from uh uh renee and michael about their thoughts and suggestions and those are just really valuable and helpful and i you mentioned the uh at dear baylor uh instagram uh tag that our students have been using and i really encourage folks if you haven’t been read any of those that you really take the time to do that i periodically go on and read some of those and frankly they’re very heartbreaking and they do not reflect what we want baylor to be or the experience that we expect our students to have when they’re on our campus they certainly don’t reflect appropriately a caring christian environment that we’re trying to create on our campus and so reading those is very heartbreaking that that is the experience that uh that many of our students of color are having on our campus and so it is imperative to us that we take that seriously and we do things campuses all across the country are sort of being self-reflected now to try to do everything we can that that’s not what our students are experiencing and certainly some of the things that have already been mentioned i think are important in that i especially like this idea of our students engaging more with one another part of that is in conversation part of it is in some of these um activities that dr mcfarland mentioned where they’re doing work together uh in community service work together one of our deans uh actually and i love what he says he says we are graduating students into a diverse world with people who will have different backgrounds experiences and beliefs we need to equip our students on how to succeed in such a world and how to work and live together in healthy ways and so i think much of what we’ve talked about already is a way to do that i think also we’ve talked a lot about through training and education programs and we certainly have done training uh for our new students and faculty as they come in but that’s got to be a more inherent embedded part of the experience at baylor not just for um our leadership um but for all of our students and faculty and staff and then not even you’re going to do some comprehensive training for everybody but then there’s also going to be more in-depth engagement and training so that we’re really seeing that making a difference and we’re seeing kind of behavior changes and then i think the other thing is um we really have a responsibility when

issues are brought to us that we have the right processes and procedures in place to to look into claims of harassment or discrimination that has been made and that we ensure that those processes are being used properly that people know what they are that they trust the system i know in in some of the the surveying we’ve done and some of what we’ve heard they students don’t feel that they can uh trust the processes and so we want people to trust our equity office to trust those systems to know that they can report we have had a lot of reports recently uh as you might imagine as this has become at the forefront of what people are talking about and we’ve actually even brought in additional resources into that office to make sure that as we get reports those are being investigated properly and in a timely way but one of the things we have heard we had a our student in double acp chapter hosted a zoom meeting where we had a large number of students participate a few weeks ago and then i met with the leadership of our student naacp chapter on friday and and one of the things that comes out of that is this perception on our students part that we don’t necessarily take those reports seriously or that we sweep those issues under the rug and that there’s not appropriate accountability for inappropriate behavior on our campus like you would read about in the app dear baylor um instagram account and you know that is not the perception that we want to have we want people to trust ourselves we want them to know that we take those accounts seriously that we look into them that we hold people appropriately accountable uh now we there are federal and dr mcfarland to be aware of this and in the school system there are federal and state privacy statutes that mean that we can’t always report everything we know about what we’ve done as in regard to discipline particularly for individual students but one of the things we have to do and that we’re really aggressively looking at is how do we find ways to report out on our website the pro within appropriate legal guidelines actions we take in accountability so people really trust our processes that we’re we’re doing the appropriate things that there is appropriate accountability in these situations so i think there’s a lot of things that we can do engaging with our students and and certainly finding opportunities to listen but also to really be responsive to some of the issues and concerns that they have as we really uh change and build the culture on our campus to help it feel really warm and inclusive and loving for everybody so that they feel safe and cared for on our campus thank you i think those are all wonderful ideas and suggestions and just also it goes back to what you all said earlier about being able to talk to somebody and being heard a lot of times people just want to be able to discuss these things that are going on and have someone listen to uh what has happened and if they can just get it off their chest uh then sometimes makes them feel a lot better and i do feel like we have those opportunities available at baylor uh they are able to report uh different if something happens a microaggression in class or any type of ev racist uh activity we do have different outlets on the baylor campus where they can report those instances so i also think that’s important the students know that they have different avenues where those things can be handled so that’s very important so for the sake of time we need to go ahead and move on to the next question or the next section and it deals with faculty recruitment and retention and i’ve been working at baylor for 19 years now that’s hard to believe in those 19 years we have had reports of a noose on campus a student was shoved and called the n-word and there have been blackface parties the there have there are also reports of microaggressions which we just talked about bias and institutional racism that we cannot ignore this may be a turn off to people who are considering taking a job at baylor but as i told a colleague recently i love my job at baylor and i love my students so i am willing to do my part to help facilitate reconciliation efforts at baylor because yes there is still a lot of good at baylor so we have to work on the things that we need to change and we do have to appreciate the things that we have that are good we filled many questions from individuals who signed up to participate in tonight’s town hall meeting one of

the questions that bubbled up to the top is what is baylor doing to hire more faculty and staff of color and how does an internal hire process limit the opportunities for a more diverse faculty and staff president livingstone we begin with you please share some of baylor’s programs that are already in place and what’s on the horizon well thank you i appreciate that being able to share about this and let me just frame what i’m going to say by saying that while we have made progress and i’ll share some of that we still have a lot of work to do and diversifying our faculty and our staff and the leadership of this campus it is uh certainly one of the the we’ve made much more progress in diversifying our student body then we have our faculty staff and administration and so we know it is an area that we have to continue to lean into and put significant effort into let me share just a little bit of data and then talk about some of the things that we’re doing right now about 16.6 of our faculty our faculty of color um that number has been increasing over recent years not as quickly as we would like to last year increased by one percent which doesn’t sound like a lot but over the the full ten years uh before that it was twelfth for it was um uh we were at twelve percent now we’re at sixteen point six percent so actually a one percent increase in one year is actually a very significant increase since 2015 faculty african-american black faculty percentage has increased by 85 percent our hispanic faculty population has increased by 60 and asian by 33 we currently have uh 37 african-american and black faculty 12 of those are senior tax track 13 are tenured so part of the challenge is getting people you know hiring faculty of color but then making sure that you get them through the tenure process and get them through the promotion process because then they have the ability to move into leadership positions whether that’s department chairs like dr moody ramirez or into associate dean roles and so on where we have a serious lack of diversity on our campus at those levels so last year 100 of our faculty of color who were eligible for tinder received tenure so point three percent of our tenure cases were faculty of color seven percent of those promoted to full professional faculty of color and we’re actually hiring more faculty of color into senior faculty roles so they come in already with tenure and that is really important because then you have more senior faculty to take on leadership roles and to mentor our newer faculty that need that support so that’s really critical for us uh we’re also seeing really good retention of our faculty of color we looked at cohorts from 1998 to 2012 and their retention rate for our faculty of color was 63 of the 65 for our white faculty and then only one percent of our faculty of color have left after becoming continued compared to seven percent of our non-minority faculty so we have had good get through that succe and promotion process we also of course have to continue to work on uh staff diversity and the leadership of the institution um i know i announced a couple of weeks ago that we were bringing malcolm foley on to my president’s council as a senior as an advisor for equity and campus engagement he joins two other members of my president’s council who are i have hispanic heritage so we’re really working on diversifying at that level we have to continue to work on that in our team’s level at our associate deans at the department chair level as well we can do that by bringing people through our ranks as well as by hiring people in to those positions and then i know another issue and uh renee you mentioned this about your dad being the first person of color to be a region at baylor we’ve made a lot of progress since then uh but much of it very recently um right now that and so the board takes very seriously trying to diversify the board every year when we look at bringing our new members diversity is one of the high priorities for the board and so what i will say that currently 44 of our boarding regions are female just three years ago that was 21 so that’s been a dramatic change uh 18 of our regions are people of color and again that was less than 5 3 years ago so while we still have a lot of work to do in all of these areas it is important we have made some progress one of the things i will say on particular faculty hiring we do have opportunity hire programs where if there’s a really strong

faculty of color someone that a department wants to bring in we will hire them out of cycle even if we don’t have a position available because we know that those opportunities don’t come along all the time and so we do opportunity hiring and then we’ve also uh added to the goals of our dean uh diversity uh goals related to faculty hiring so now it is actually part of the evaluation process for the deans of each of our colleges in school and so we know when there’s accountability there it makes a difference in in the outcomes that you get so we’re certainly working on these things as well as doing you know training for all of our search committees to ensure that they uh that we try to eliminate uh the biases that can sometimes occur in these processes so a few things that we’re working on some of the progress that we’ve made but clearly a lot more work and effort needs to go into our hiring practices and to ensure that uh we’re bringing in the diversity that we want to see across our faculty staff and leadership of the institution thank you thank you for sharing those statistics and we are definitely making progress regen mcfarland is there anything that you would like to share or something that we should be doing differently here at baylor well i just think that i won’t necessarily say differently but i think it’s some additional things uh you know one of the one one of the challenges is that oftentimes i believe with administration and professors oftentimes they’re search firms that are they’re engaged in actually going out searching for candidates and so the challenge is that that you know these organizations oftentimes act as gatekeepers and so if minority uh professionals are not aware or not connected into those circles then they may be left out of the mix out of no no fault of the university it’s just a system and so maybe if we had a system to where we were actually disseminating those job uh job postings not only through through the search firm but also to hbcus or even uh through the baylor black alumni association or the latino alumni group and we could kind of help to to push the postings out even further that could possibly be helpful as well but i think it’s important for us to look at kind of how systematically we can get the word out that baylor is interested in hiring a diverse population i think that would that would definitely be helpful but really the hbcus are prime areas where we could we should be targeting uh for students that are in those masters programs or even professor professors that may be interested in coming to our to our university okay thank you i agree we definitely need to look at how we’re disseminating that information about job openings regent maciel do you have anything to add i would just say again that i think president livingstone has done an incredible job with the help of her administration but i i remember the 10 years that i served as a president at the baptist university americas it was hard for me to hire hispanic faculty and staff to that hispanic institution it was always a challenge and we were always looking and keeping them in mind and just looking looking for culture is what we were looking for and so that was always a challenge and and i i don’t really have anything to add except the idea that maybe maybe there’s a way to develop um even utilizing president livingstone utilizing some of the 18 percent of the culture that’s on your regions in a part of those interviews or a part of those connection with of possible faculty members or staff members to be able to ask questions to those regions or even some some community ambassadors that would be able to answer some questions for potential faculty or staff people that are coming to vader uh i know some tremendous people through the hispanic chamber of commerce through the african-american uh chamber of commerce and some tremendous people pastors and hispanic and black churches here that would be tremendous ambassadors to help recruit some of those faculty and staff to waco and to bader university and they would have great things to say and again i would just say of the of the pastors that i meet with african-american and hispanic pastors uh they have really had great uh compliments for uh president livingstone and her effort to continue to change things i believe uh i believe and i’m a fond uh heart for malcolm gladwell’s book the tipping point i think we’re there we have a tremendous opportunity right now to really change things not only from the standpoint of a student engagement but also faculty and staff to make some incredible changes at our institution being this christian commitment that we have to really be a unique institution in the way we address racism and justice and equality at this institution from this time forward and so i’m so grateful again that our institution is looking at that there’s definitely has to be changes to be made and i think we’re making efforts but it is hard i’ll just say that again it is hard to recruit african-american scholars and staff it’s hard to recruit hispanic scholars and staff

and so again maybe some advantage would be to use regions and or local ambassadors to be a part of that process i think you really have to play up the positives of what’s going on and wake up down waco is developing you have some young families moving into waco uh so waco has really progressed has changed a lot since i moved here in 90 i remember when i moved here in 1990 my parents begged me not to move to waco they associated waco to the lynchings but waco has moved away from that now when people think of wake they think of magnolia uh so i think the image of waco is changing so that kind of helps with the recruitment as well and doctor i think i think also dr amita’s you know the one thing that is challenging is when you bring a faculty or staff member of color to the institution and uh again they they don’t see it they don’t see a lot of them around them that is such a challenge but again i think from the fact of i had a chance to preach the southwestern one time and i remember the president southwestern had every single hispanic staff member and faculty there for my luncheon i mean they were all there including yard workers or whatever but they just they tried to make it as best as they could to feel welcomed and i think that’s still a challenge for bay university is making sure that that faculty or staff member feels connected apart and looking forward to be a part of the family of bader that makes a difference maybe have a luncheon or invite some more faculty of color to take that person out to eat those are all great ideas thank you for sharing those ideas okay let’s move on to future baylor on june 25th baylor board of regents issued a resolution on racial healing and justice asserting that the university’s christian commitment is inconsistent with racism in any form and its history demands examination the regents and president livingstone formed a commission that will look at historical baylor and evaluate it decided to have you answer this first you’re on a hot seat you offer a unique perspective because of your you are an alumnus you’re also a regent and you’re also a pastor so what are your thoughts uh from a religious perspective i would say first of all that i had to rephrase that a little bit because it’s not about religion it’s about my christian faith my christian world view and so uh it’s not a religious view but it’s a christian world view and so from the very start when god when i was reconciled to god i was also reconciled to you dr moody ramirez i was reconciled to dr mcfarland the president i mean a superintendent of mcfarland as well and president livingstone and so i i understand that as a follower of jesus christ that i’ve been reconciled to each other and god sent his son that we would be able to have a different look about people and so as i think about that the perspective that we’re trying to to do the resolution on racial healing and justice it’s important for us as an institution uh just to really look and see how we can continue to move forward not looking back i’m thinking about the scripture isaiah that the oldest past the new has come from the standpoint of a new day is coming and so if we as an institution i know the brokenness i know the history of vader i found out more about hit baiter but again not looking back but moving forward and trying to be a different institution as i said a while ago and how important it will be for us as in this spiritual matter as as we’re trying to be not only this excellent academic institution but also this christian commitment of excellence as well that we are trying in every way to represent christ jesus and everything we do and so even though we understand the brokenness in our life we’re trying to move forward to really present ourselves in such a way that students faculty and staff and parents understand that this is an institution that loves them dearly and cares about them as a person and wants them to be represented at this institution they feel so welcomed and accommodated at this institution i know and i know our university is doing that but we have to continue to think of more ways that we can push forward not looking back i understand the history and we learn from history but looking forward and looking to the future of how we can continue to love and care for students that are coming to this institution and i’m so grateful again to be a part of the regents and even though i’m a newbie to that i am so grateful for the leadership that is on that on that board and we understand as a region and i’m again very grateful that we are committed to that christian excellence

and that means for me personally it means that we are considering how we can uh understand the reconciliation and we’re we understand reconciliation comes from that word of getting making things better than what they were but we’re trying to start off to a new place for us as an institution and moving us forward and caring for people of color and of race and and i i really appreciate what dr mcfarland said a while ago because we all have our biases and i i understand that myself as well but i i think again we have an opportune time as an institution to represent christ jesus in all that we’re doing in caring for people that are coming to this institution and it is time for us as an institution to again look at this as a spiritual matter i started out that way tonight and i still believe it is so important for us as an institution to realize this is a spiritual matter for us as an institution to take great concern and ask god to lead us and bring healing and bring justice and bring equality and i’m so grateful again that we’re on the right path we’ve got a long ways to go thank you renee i think the time is ripe for reconciliation okay uh dr livingstone this is this was a big move for baylor to make do you have anything else that you would like to add well i appreciate you you recognizing that it certainly was an important statement for the board and important step forward for the university and i think it was kind of eye-opening for me uh how many people within the baylor family weren’t really aware of some aspects of the history of baylor and certainly we will tell that story more and better and i think the fact that so many people were really not aware of that history makes it more important that we understand that and tell that story better and i think in the context of that it’s not about changing the history of baylor it’s not about changing the name of baylor at all and that’s not part of this process it’s about telling a more complete story of the history of baylor we’re fully understanding who we are and then through that doing exactly what regent montiel said how does that help us through a process of redemption and healing uh to move forward in a way that makes us a stronger better place that better represents christ and better represents um a community that cares for everyone fully in that way um you know i think that uh one of the things we have to continue to do as we go forward is is you know really um bring people together through the work they’re doing and not use these processes to to divide each other but to say what are our common issues here how do we bring people together how do we bring about healing and so the commission the work that they’re doing is really about that uh you know how do we come together as an institution tell our story better and and love one another better uh because of what we’re learning about ourselves about our past and how that means we need to be different as we look to the future okay thank you thank you for sharing those thoughts okay regent mcfarland do you have any insights on how other universities have handled this done so i’m i’m not sure i heard the the the entirety of your question but but i i would like to just talk about you know baylor and our history and i think one of the things is that uh we have to be real real real clear about as we are looking at how we’re dealing with this situation right now first and foremost i believe that the president has handled this uh masterfully i believe that that creating the opportunity well first of all coming out with the statement kind of actually signifies that baylor that we are prepared to lead in this area and when we look at our when we look at our mission at providing worldwide service and and and leadership and in it through a christian commitment i think that’s what we do we stand up and we say hey this is this happened you know we acknowledge our our past but it’s important for us to do this now we acknowledge a part of our past it’s important for us to acknowledge the entirety of it so we we talk about judge bala but we also got if we look deeper we’ll see that our second president of rufus burleson i believe he was responsible for actually the the establishment of bishop college which which later became paul quinn which was really critical in educating african americans in 1881 so it’s important for us to realize that baylor has always laid in this area we just got to make sure that people understand that we have we you know we have positive things of our past but we also have actually things that are not so positive but that doesn’t define who we are today i think our current mission our current leadership our current focus on making sure that we address these in these injustices i believe this is the best way to deal with it i’ve shared with several of my other colleagues from other universities their universities are not addressing this issue

like we are and so i think that i think the way we’re addressing it by first listening and then acting i believe is the right way to do it and so i i’m excited about being a part of this this this family and so excited about what is to come okay thank you so now we will have a final question and then we will look at some of the questions that have been submitted each person on this call is due in their respective communities to promote educational awareness as it relates to racial and social injustices what can they do to help continue to close the racial and social injustices within the baylor and waco community as well we will begin with you dr livingstone i appreciate that and i appreciate the opportunity here so a couple things i would say that are kind of specific and then i’ll kind of go to broader levels one of the things for me personally that’s been really important is to actually broaden my social media feeds um and i i really encourage people to do that so that you can hear perspectives from across the spectrum that you might not normally hear it because you learn a lot from that you learn to listen and you learn to be sort of empathetic to the experiences that other people have that might be different from your own so i think that’s critically important i really encourage people to engage in their community and opportunities to learn from others uh waco’s been doing a race equity institute for several years and many people from baylor and the broader waco community have engaged in that on how you work on addressing these issues and it’s a great program media communities have these kinds of programs i really encourage folks in their local communities to get engaged like that as it relates more specifically to us at baylor i just really encourage everyone to keep praying for us here at baylor our baylor family is wonderful about praying for our students our faculty our staff our regions continue to pray for us that as we work through this and other challenging issues that are ahead for the surveiller that you know we really ground that in biblical teaching and our christian mission and values and that we keep that at the forefront as we look at all of these issues um and then i think we’ve got to continue to listen continue to please continue to give us feedback please continue to be a part of the conversation uh as we make progress and where we need to make more progress if you make a mistake along the way let us know because we’re not going to do everything perfectly but we do want to listen and learn as we go forward and then frankly we need people to be ambassadors for baylor you know all of you do that in your own way in your own communities and and that’s so important that’s whether that’s helping us recruit a diverse and talented student body whether it’s helping identify faculty and staff out there that might be great for us to consider um you know any way that you can as you tell the baylor story uh and share your experiences that’s valuable to us so we love that everybody thinks they’re green and gold wherever they are and and we want you to keep doing that uh as we continue to work to get better and address these issues and more effectively in the future thank you president livingstone uh regent mcfarland or regent maciel do you all have anything to add to that dr mcfarland go ahead well i just uh i i think just continuing to do what we’re doing now is is listening and creating avenues for people to be heard i do know that oftentimes uh either whether it’s faculty or staff or others who who may feel like they are they’re being roamed from a hr perspective or any other kind of avenue need to have an opportunity to make sure that they can go to someone and be heard and i think it’s important for us to recognize that people want to be heard people want to feel uh feel like they are they are human and they have a perspective and so i think it’s important as an organization that we are not uh what’s what’s called uh institutionally arrogant it’s important for us to always be open listen and then be able to make decisions after we’ve heard and so i think that’s important for us it’s good thank you i also agree how important it is for us to pull people together um somehow someway we have got to continue to pull people together in our community to listen to to visit with to connect with as a missions pastor a lot of my role is pulling people out of the pews and into community i want them to get out of church is what i want them to do i want them to go and meet and connect and love others and so i i love that i’m passionate about that and so as i have a chance to pull people out of our church and to meet and connect with other people it’s amazing how they become so educated so quickly about people just by spending some time with them and so and i’m gonna i’m gonna ask dr president livingstone that we need to take the dr pepper hour on the road here in the community

is what we need to do and just start bringing it to different places in our community and just conversations with hispanic leaders as well as african american leaders and of culture people of culture not too long ago i had a chance matter of fact at veronica’s a little bitty restaurant down on franklin that i love getting my mexican food at i had a chance just to share the gospel in the middle of that in the middle of that room but more than anything else it’s just connected me with those people and i love going there and they’re always glad to for me to come in and visit with them but maybe there’s an opportunity for us as an institution that we continue to take our conversations outside the walls and including people and listening to people and letting them know that we care and we want to do better at that equality and and justice and healing that we want at beta university okay thank you i love those ideas especially the idea of taking the dr pepper hour on the road well um we are close to 7 30 so we are not going to have time to field questions from the audience but we we do we have saved those questions so maybe we will have another town hall meeting in the future so we’re going to go ahead and begin with our closing generation z is our future we see them organizing protests and striving to make a difference in society baylor now has a trailblazer scholarship and uh mentioned it earlier president livingstone will you please tell us what other scholarships are available that can specifically help our students of color i appreciate that it’s certainly an area we pay a lot of attention to and know that it’s a challenge for uh many students of color and others to be able to afford to come to baylor and now with token19 it’s made an even bigger challenge i think as many families have lost jobs or their financial situation has changed and so we do encourage current students new students coming in to be sure they call the financial aid office if their financial circumstances have changed so that we can help address their issues you know our freshman class that’s coming in is about 36 diverse so it’s looking very good and very strong but there’s a lot that can happen between now and august 24th we know that so we certainly do have a wide array of scholarships available to our under-represented students to our first generation students we call them our first in line students and in fact one of the things we did a couple of years ago was really kind of change how we do our more broad-based financial aid that in a way that we think helps um with some of our underrepresented groups we used to do what we would call kind of need blind admissions and financial aid where we didn’t really look at financial need of students and because of that we really weren’t pushing some of our funds probably down to media students at times and so now we really look more holistically at students not just their academic record but also their financial need and because of that we have really reallocated funds in some ways that have really helped us with some of our students of color and other underrepresented groups to make more financial aid available to them and then of course we continue to develop problems like the trailblazers scholarship and others to really help students who come in with an interest in diversity issues that want to help us make a difference in this area to do that so we hope folks will come alongside us we always need more scholarship dollars to support our students and particularly our students with the greatest need and so that’s certainly an area we’re focusing on as part of our giveaway fundraising campaign as well to meet the needs of our students as we look forward okay thank you i’m excited about what’s on the head before we end our town hall this evening we would like to provide our panelists an opportunity to provide closing remarks dr livingstone we will begin with you well let me just thank everyone again for being here it was wonderful uh dr moody ramirez view to to host us and facilitate regents monsieur and mcfarland and certainly reprehend already had to leave us and then again i really want to thank um our black and latino alumni groups for their leadership in this we look forward to working with everyone in the days and months and years ahead as we continue to work on these issues and really ensure that baylor is a caring christian community for all of our students faculty staff alumni and friends and particularly for those of color who have sometimes felt marginalized on our campus so this is important to us we care about it and we are deeply committed to continuing to make progress in this area thank you dr mcfarland

would you care to share your closing remarks well just my closing remarks first to just just thank you to the university to president livingstone for just this opportunity to have a conversation tonight i hope this is the first of several conversations and i do believe that the words are important but the actions speak louder and i think it’s important for us to continue to act to make sure that baylor university is a judge university one that addresses our challenges when we find them and we are prepared to move forward and i believe that that the country needs a baylor right now uh during this time and i believe that bayley is definitely paused that we’re paused as a family to address the issues if we’re willing to do that okay and we will end with closing remarks from regent martial martial again i’m also grateful for president livingstone just and her work and her leadership and her staff that are doing great job and making great strides and i’m honored to serve as a regent and grateful again for the black alumni alliance and also the latina leadership group to be a part of this discussion tonight um i look forward to two days ahead of us when we continue to make strides as an institution i look forward to being a part of those uh those things that are going to be happening for us as an institution and again i’m reminded again how this to me personally again i just say that being a spiritual matter for us as an institution that we are striving for that christian excellence and i think that’s going to be a way for us as an institution that we continue to pray and lift up the issues that are in front of us and continue to understand god’s incredible love for us that we would also love others around us as well so i’m excited about the future of better university and look forward to serving and being a part of all that we’ll be doing all right please join me in thanking our distinguished panel for their insights and wisdom today in the scriptures we are constantly reminded that to whom much is given much is required from almighty god baylor has been given many gifts we know that people are watching baylor we want to personally thank marie brown and taryn allen for their vision for this town hall to make this event possible marie and taryn both have deputized been deputized to register texans to vote they are planning various voter registration drives throughout the dallas metroplex area as well as waco if you are interested in participating with this call to action please reach out to them marie and taryn want to thank dr livingstone dr mcfarland mr maciel u.s representative colin allred and everyone who has participated in the town hall meeting this evening god bless and please stay safe thank you and good night thank you thanks thank you