Government & Leadership Conference: Political Gridlock – Is There an End in Sight?

(upbeat music) – Thank you very much This is one of the greatest Governors in the history of California (audience applauding) The panel today is a really terrific panel I was addicted to “Morning Joe” for many years, I finally went to a 12 step program and managed to at least wean myself off of the morning talk shows But Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough, the host of this program, I think are influential, considered very influential for a very good reason Mika is a bestselling author, career journalist and television personality As the daughter of a political family, Democrat to Republican co-host and author of New York times Bestseller on the challenges of balancing career, family and the news business She brings a very grounded and personal view to our discussion, “Navigating Gridlock.” Joe is the co-host and face of “Morning Joe.” A former Republican firebrand, swept into office during the Republican wave of the Gingrich revolution in 1994 Multitasking while in Congress, he founded an award winning weekly newspaper He’s written two critically acclaimed books, “Rome Wasn’t Burnt in a Day,” and a New York times bestseller “The Last Best Hope: Restoring Conservatism in America’s Promise And America’s Promise.” His latest book, “The Right Path: How Republicans Once Mastered Politics and Can Again.” Which I read yesterday, is a must read for anyone in politics, I believe Please welcome our terrific panelists here (audience clapping) Okay, so today’s symposium is about the current state of partisan gridlock And ask the question, is there an end in sight? I wanna start with a little bit of a twist on that question Gridlock isn’t new In fact, it’s been around since the founding fathers actually designed our system of governance And I believe there’s many who argue that it was designed to cause a little gridlock now and then, in order to prevent laws from being passed too easily or prevent the rule of the majority from stepping on the rights of the minority So let me ask you first, do you think gridlock is an aberration in American democracy or is it just the way we do business? Let’s start with you? – Well, it’s the way we’ve done business I mean James Madison’s idea was to draft a constitution and our founders believed the same thing, that would frustrate a tyrant or a dictator coming in and being able to move too quickly to the left or too quickly to the right And that’s worked It’s worked I mean it gave, so we have a civil war and we have canings on the house floor and things like that, but for the most part it’s worked and everybody’s always been unhappy But you look back and you see the results and it’s positive Things have changed though You talked about when I came in in 1994 and boy there was gridlock then And we didn’t like each other I mean, I could not stand Bill Clinton I loathed him I mean he’d be like, “I feel your pain.” “Look he’s lying, you know he’s lying.” And he hated me too I remember telling his Chief of staff Erskine Bowles, he said, “How you doing Joe?” I said, “I’m doing fine Erskine but I gotta admit, I just hate your boss. I feel really bad about it I’m a Southern Baptist, I feel guilty.” He said, “Don’t worry about it Joe, he hates you too.” (laughter) And he did – But you should see them now – Oh stop – It’s gross – It’s not gross (laughter) – Get a room – Oh stop – “Oh Mr. President, you’re the greatest President that ever was.” “Oh Joe, you have the best TV show that I’ve ever seen How great is my hair? It’s not as good your hair.” – Well, to be fair he did say things have changed – “Let’s look in the mirror now, aren’t we great?” Oh yeah – Future Republican primary voters cover your ears, this is a lie – It’s disgusting, they are all over each other – Okay. But here’s my point (laugher) – There’s a point to it – There is a point And the point is that even though we had a Democratic President that hated a Republican Congress, and hate is not too strong of a word (Arnold clears his throat) And a Republican Congress that loathed the Democratic President, think about what we did together Balanced a budget for the first time in a generation We balanced it four years in a row for the first time since the 1920s, passed welfare reform, regulatory reform, capital gains tax cuts And again balanced the budget and actually paid down the debt for a few years And okay, so there was impeachment but it was the 90’s, it seemed like the thing to do

But for the most part, we got great things done And you know, we talk about– – Despite it – Despite it We talk about Tip O’Neill and Ronald Reagan as well Chris Matthews has written a book about that Think about what they did together And they had a rule and Tip was very clear about it And Richard Reeves wrote about this in his biography on Reagan The rule was, they fought like hell all day, but at six o’clock at night they became friends And they really did You know Tip O’Neill’s son said the only thing his dad hated more than Ronald Reagan’s philosophy was gridlock and getting nothing done And so there was that healthy respect that’s missing in Washington today – [Susan] So wait So when is gridlock good thing (Joe clears his throat) and when is it a bad thing? – Well, gridlock is necessary I mean that friction, it’s called separation of powers And I think it’s always a good thing I mean, we see I mean I personally, I don’t think monopolies in Washington are a good thing You look Democrats had a monopoly in 93/94, they went too far left People elected people like me because of it in 94, you don’t want that happening Republicans had a gridlock in Washington DC under George W. Bush Think about what happened over those six to eight years Gridlock is good as long as you have two sides that are working together constructively in the best interest of the country Something’s been lost and Mika your dad, and Professor Schwarzenegger was talking about meeting your dad in the White House, but your dad– – He didn’t insult you did he? – No he was wonderful We both had an accent so that was nice (laughter) – Oh you had something in common– – Well if he didn’t– – he insulted Joe – Yeah, he insulted me He said, “You know you’re stunningly superficial.” But anyway (audience laughing) But your dad though, I mean just the makeup of your dad’s staff shows how different things were not so long ago – Well there are certainly components to gridlock that helped the process along And I think some of those key components that may seem ancillary or on the side, are far more important than maybe we thought And that is sort of the joy of the process, that drink between the Speaker and the President, is because they just so enjoyed the process Whether they hated each other during the day, there was something about being there and serving and a responsibility to country And I would take it further and say that the joy involves also families mixing together and opposing sides socializing and their children meeting and all those things happened all the time when I was growing up in Washington I mean, you know, my dad didn’t do a lot of deals on Capitol Hill as a Senator, but there are certain negotiations and policies involved with what he did And if anyone had my mother’s roadkill at his house, they usually had a hand over him in terms of what they were And there were lots of funny, joyful things that were batted around because the families interacted – [Joe] And the staff I mean you were– – Oh my Lord, my dad’s staff was– – Republicans and Democrats – and you know, I didn’t notice this till so many years later, we threw a 80th birthday party for him, he’s 87 now Which is unbelievable – He gets meaner by the day – Yeah – [Joe] You think it’s not possible – Oh no, he’s just gets more honest Joe – Stronger, he’s good yeah – More honest – But his staff, the NSC threw the party and the family was there There was Condoleezza Rice, Madeline Albright, General Odom, Bob Gates These are the guys and women who worked for him on both sides of the aisle, who’ve become the greats But worked for him because he wanted to be challenged And you know, then you look at the media and there’s a whole section of the media where nobody wants to be challenged anymore They just go to their corners All of these things are components of gridlock being a bad thing, instead of a good thing – Well Governor, when you and I were working in Sacramento together, you actually I watched you use gridlock as the mechanism by which to get Democrats to compromise and Republicans to compromise And both sides did things that they swore they would never do when they rose their hand and took their oath of office You used gridlock in order to get major welfare reform, cuts and spending We even used gridlock to get the very open primary on the ballot that we’re discussing a part here today Could you have done that without gridlock, and how did you get through it? – Well first of all, I believe also that you have to have sometimes gridlock, but it depends also how long For how long have you want it to go on? I mean what is going on in the United States right now, I mean, I think we had enough – Right? – I mean, I think there’s nothing getting done– – Nothing – for years and years and years you can not point at anything that was accomplished in Washington If you’re spending $2.5 billion every year on the Capitol, on all of those people that work there for nothing And you know, not immigration reform,

not a really good healthcare reform You know, the budget is in a shamble, more and more debt is adding up I mean, all this stuff and no energy policy in orders I mean, where are we going? So I think it’s enough of the gridlock I cannot call that gridlock any more positive or constructive I think we had temporary gridlock in California and you’re absolutely right I mean, especially when it came to the budget I mean, you can imagine a Republican Governor and a Democratic Legislature I mean, you know there was We obviously were in a recession in 2007 and they wanted to continue spending So of course I wouldn’t sign the budget, so there was you know, a standoff and it went on, it dragged out until actually beginning of October when we finally signed the budget But in return then we got all kinds of concessions, which was great So we used the, the you know the gridlock to our advantage and the Rainy Day Fund and all kinds of reforms And so I think on the end, it is important to work together And I have to just go back to what you guys said about hating There was no one in Sacramento that I hated I mean these were all people that worked really hard and they just had a different philosophy than I had So it doesn’t mean like you know Speaker Nunez, he became a very good friend of mine John Burton, the Senator became a very good friend and kind of a mentor to me, because he was a terrific guy, he just was a liberal – Yes – So what? I mean it’s like, “Okay, it’s his belief.” Mine was to be more conservative And then we had to sit down and work it out And we did the reforms you know, with workers’ compensation, that saved the State now $150 billion the businesses So we worked things out and we worked on things together even though he had a different belief But it doesn’t mean that I have to hate him I looked at him and I said, “There’s a great guy I want to hang out with this guy. He was funny.” And then so Oh with Antonio here, I mean he’s a Democrat I mean we hung out together We were going to barbecues, we were having a good time (audience laughter) and we were good friends And he called me anytime that he needed something and I called him when I needed something from him – [Mika] Okay, but here’s the problem- – Bob Hurtz– – Governor? Who is sitting here, he was one of my advisors, when I ran for Governor – [Joe] He’s on roll– (Mika laughing) – And he’s a democrat (laughing) – [Mika] So it seems like Joe – So I mean to me, (audience laughing) – Governor? – I don’t see it that way – But, look at him– – maybe in Washington it’s that way – [Mika] Look at him, look at him, look at her – Yeah right – I wanna hang out with them too Do you wanna hang out with anybody in Washington? Cause I don’t – You wanna go– – I’ve tried – Me I thought, I thought– – We hung out with the President He’s like, “Six o’clock, gotta go.” I mean what’s that? (laughing) – I was just like I said– – I thought you were gonna bring up Mitch McCormick? – We the last maybe– – No, Mitch McCormick? (imitates snoring) (audience laughing) sh, oh my God – We had a good time there – Yeah – With the legislator So I think that yeah, you, you know though– – what has changed? – I want to follow up though on what the governor said, I said, “Hate, hate’s a strong word.” – It’s a terrible word – Just dislike It’s a terrible word But you know, Bill Clinton– – Before you said, “It sounds like a strong word.” But it’s true (laughter) Now you say its a strong word, it’s not true – Hey– – So which one is it? – You know what? – It’s how you say it – You know what, just work with me here baby – All right, I’ll try– (laughter) – I’m working the audience I work the audience the way I wanna work the audience– – You did a great job – You work the way you wanna work the audience, okay? (audience laughing) – You do a great job – So, thank you so much, I’m gonna tap dance in a second So it reminds me– – I like your shirt – It reminds me of what my– – I’m gonna sit in between you two – Do you like this? – Yes – Would you like it? – Joe? – Someone in Bavaria– – Sit over here – Table cloth – Hold on, oh sure So anyway– – Do you guys wanna be alone? – So a dear personal friend of mine, Bill Clinton– – Oh – once told me (laughter) It reminds He actually said, we were talking about some of the problems in Washington And Bill Clinton said and I agree completely And it was actually my approach too Being in government, getting things done, requires that you have no memory You really don’t I mean it’s like people that sit back and there are a lot of politicians that keep score. Why? You know because the thing is, you really could impeach Bill Clinton in the morning and in the afternoon he’d call you, “Hey, you wanna go golf?” I mean because he always knew there was always the next vote I had people supporting me that got so angry ’cause the very people that during the campaign were spreading lies in all these 30 second commercials After I won, they were the first people I called And the reason why is you know, do you wanna be right, or do you wanna get things done? And a lot of people in Washington DC unfortunately have memories that are far too long It requires a balancing act that right now, I think in Washington DC. we don’t see because quite frankly, there are a lot of amateurs there I wanna really quickly talk though about you two And the reason I wanna talk about you too, is because for a Republican Governor– – Yeah – to have a Democratic Chief of Staff that worked for the preceding Democratic Governor, I actually think that’s the model I remember people came in and said, “Oh, you need a conservative this to run your military, you can serve…” I said, “No, we don’t,

I already know what I believe.” Bring in the best people you can bring in and we’ll debate I mean, talk about, if you don’t mind, if I can turn this on you Talk about how important it is to have a leader that’s confident enough in his or her own beliefs that they don’t want a yes man or a yes woman– – [Mika] And was there ever a moment where you really hated what you had to do? – [Susan] With this governor? – Mm-hmm – No – Okay – I’ve worked for two Governors (laughter) – [Mika] Okay, we’ll get to that one in a moment – [Joe] (indistinct) now you know why we are at the great avis institute of politics Go ahead – No I mean, I’ve been through 10 years in politics in the Governor’s office and in that time you know, there’s always things that you, you, you do what you have to do and if you’re a staff person, that’s what makes a good staff person I’m not the one elected to office So it’s really about trust and having the kind of relationship where, you know did he compromise his values in any way? No So if it’s a tactical issue, you just you know, we have our arguments behind closed doors And when I open that door, my job is He’s I’m the, I’m the I build the planes, he’s the pilot – [Joe] Right? – And so as long as you have that relationship worked out, then I don’t It’s not an issue A lot of what doesn’t happen today is people think that when they wear a label, the Democrat or Republican label that it means they’re not even allowed to get along with the other team – Yeah – They can’t Even though– – You’re right – And every Democrat I know after they left office talked about how right the other party was when they, you know But they couldn’t say it when they were actually in office And most of the staff people that are my counterparts wouldn’t ever think about working for the other team, because you get blacklisted You can’t even, you can’t It ends your political career – Yeah – So I didn’t, I didn’t care at that point at that point in time – But it was, it was really interesting because when I appointed her, immediately the Republican Party of California called for a meeting (Joe laughing) I remember it was across the street at a hotel and we met there and they immediately said to me, “This is, you’ve got to get rid of her Otherwise we would never meet again and this is disastrous And you know, you cannot do that.” (indistinct) I said to them, “Well wait a minute, as far as I remember,” as in correct me if I’m wrong I said, “but it is the Governor that picks his Chief of Staff, not the Republican party.” And they said, “You’re right.” I said, “Well then just relax now, okay? (laughter) Let’s just forget about this kind of a complaint, but because I’m gonna keep her.” And you know, there was a suspicion for the first half year and everything, but then as time went on, they felt very comfortable And actually they loved coming down to our smoking tent, which we had in the middle of the atrium of the Capitol, because there was nowhere else that you were allowed to smoke And I had to have my Stogey during the day, so we built a smoking tent, and then we found out of course, that all the legislators that smoked, wanted to come down, Democrats and Republicans– – Yeah – And use the tent But I mean, they all came down and felt very comfortable with negotiating with her and trusted her And because they realized very quickly that Susan was about one thing, and that is to make it work for the people and not to cater to the Democratic Party, she didn’t owe anything to them or to the Republican Party It didn’t matter She wanted to see what is best and she would do all the research for me and everything, but we always started to do what was best for the people and not that I was always right– – Right – It is wat my belief what was best for the people But- – That’s correct – That’s the way we worked, and that why we were actually very good team – And you have to remember the Republicans also When you said you know I’m bipartisan They said, “That’s not bi-partisan, that’s bipolar.” – That’s what they called me (audience laughing) that’s right yeah – Yes. Yes (Arnold mumbling) Yes, and it was all they And they loved the smoking tent until they realized that our cigar smoke was going right into the intake valves for the air conditioning system (laughter) in the second floor so – But you know, bipolar actually is a better term actually than partisanship We were talking about partisanship in gridlock Gridlock is bad But having that creative friction, rubbing against each other all the time– – I guess that’s (indistinct) – That is the genius of American government – It was the most nonpartisan atmosphere I’ve ever worked in in my life I sat there next to him He hired people who were as far right on the political spectrum as you could and on the far left of the political spectrum And we had debates about issues– – That’s correct – where you could literally tap into the other perspective right there at the table, without, without positioning We actually explored issues from various perspectives And it, it was the best political atmosphere you could work in – [Joe] You got blind sighted a lot less – What has changed today? You talked to me You said things have changed? – Right? – Why is it different today? Gridlock has been around since the country was founded They’ve, we’ve, we’ve we’ve survived it, we’ve used it What has changed? – You got it right I mean, you guys got it right out here in what you all did with common cause and the League of Women Voters What you did on redistricting? That’s what’s changed I mean the fact is that in Washington right now, you’re right they’ve got a 9% approval rating And yet you know, I think the turnover rate

in the Politburo in the old Soviet Union was higher than it is right now in Congress And that’s because we have a political system just like cable news in prime time, that encourages extremism Everybody runs to their corners – [Mika] That’s the big part of the change – Everybody runs to their corners, everybody they live in this echo chamber And at the end of the day, your political opponent is not wrong Your political opponent’s actually not somebody you can learn from, your political opponent is the enemy – [Susan] So what is it that causes them to run into their corners? What’s the relationship between the gerrymandering– – It’s self interest. It’s self interest You actually get rewarded for being extreme When you go home back in your District The Government shutdown Mika, we talked about this a lot You know Ted Cruz and a lot of members of Congress shut down the government Not because it was bad for them politically, but because everybody cheered when they went back home, right? – Look this media angle that you mentioned I think has really exploded what was right about what might’ve been working in the past, because not only do they run to their corners and you ask why, so they can play to their base I think it Look at the Republican Primary candidates we got last time around, how many people in this room were excited about Mitt Romney? Exactly (laughter) You know, if you were all Republicans it would be the same answer – I kinda like Mitt – No, it wouldn’t. No, it wouldn’t – Okay, – And they were all you know, they were all Bass players and it wasn’t serious But even more so it happens on the left and the right they go to one network or the other, there’s no place in the middle that really sort of calls into question the playing to the base And by the way just for the record, when we only had the three networks, really delivering the TV news and the major newspapers, that created its own set of problems too That wasn’t perfect There was definitely liberal media bias And a lot of people working at these organizations that had the same background, the same school background, the same everything and living in the same places And we all went to the same Ivy’s and they all had the same lead story every night and the same kicker, which I never really understood Cause that was supposed to be a quirky story that you found somewhere And yet they’d all do the same one, really? So they all thought alike And now though, it’s frightening I mean, we had a problem really trying to criticize our own You know, you don’t bite the hand that feeds you or the enemy as well because they may attack you more But I think we were really confronting a problem in the time that Gabby Gifford was shot And I think what we saw was hatred flying around the airwaves and even being incited by some people And that’s because it’s there now, these different corners that are so ideologically driven – But I think that Here’s the important thing and that is, that’s what this symposium is all about – [Mika] Right? – Because instead of just sitting there and complaining all the time, I think we should do something about it And I think in California, we did something about it – You did – We saw the gridlock too many times, – You did – We saw the things that didn’t work and we went out and we attacked the problem, but saying, “Okay first of all, we have to recognize that in America the political system is fixed.” I mean for 200 years or so we had you know, the gerrymandering And the politicians drew the District lines that absolutely made no sense, except for them it made sense because it kept them in power there was no competition So the incumbent was always voted back in I mean if you think about it that in California, in 10 years there was like 314 Congressional and legislative races and only one changed party hands in 10 years Out of 314 races, only one changed party hands After we did the redistricting in the open primary in one year seven of them changed hands In one election cycle Seven of them changed hands So just think about that we can do something about it Now the question is in California we have already seen it and you will hear a report about that later on About what changes have taken place when it comes to voting – Mm-hmm – Even though now there is a clear majority amongst the Democrats in California, they have the super majority But their voting record has improved tremendously because of that And this is what is so important and I think what we should do is look at the United States and recognize that there are 24 States that have an initiative process, where we could go, and this is why Common Cause is here and this is why we need all those good government advocate groups, to come together If it’s the League of Women Voters VCAIIP and stuff, come together and go look at the Americans and see where we can create changes, because it tells you,

every time we create a little change it could have a great effect in Washington So they finally get things done – What’s the connection between the gerrymander district and what Mika was talking about in terms of having them run and play to their base Why is that? Why is that connected to the gridlock problem we have? – Well it’s connected to the gridlock problem because if you actually work with somebody on the other side of the aisle We actually were giving a speech in Pennsylvania and Ed Rendell was there during the debate And Ed and I had two very different views on how the healthcare system should have been reformed And somebody asked us, “Why can’t it get done?” And Ed said and he was right He said, “You know Joe and I disagree on so much, but if we went in the back room and we talked for three hours, I would give him what he needed As far as market forces driving healthcare reform, he would give me what I needed as far as safety net issues, so I could go back to my base and we could get the outlines of a deal pretty quickly.” He said, “But if we did that now five minutes after I went in there, there would be a liberal blogger killing me The calls would start streaming into my office A conservative talk show host would be killing him, calls would start going into his office Panic would ensue and pretty soon the talks would collapse and we could get nobody else supporting us.” And the most important I think part of that story is especially for students, ’cause we’ve talked about the problems with this This, this divide, it’s a Mirage It is a complete Mirage And I say that as somebody that has been Mika and I have given four, 500 speeches over the past six years We’ve had like, God knows how many book tours It’s like Emerald We have a book every three days He says that, we give, when we just give a policy speech, the same speech at Pat Robertson’s University in rural Virginia, as we do at the 92nd Street Y on the upper West side It’s stunning, people applaud at the same lines They laugh at the same jokes There’s not this great divide I mean most of them– – [Susan] You speak into one of the conventions – What’s that? – One of the party conventions, the speeches have to change a little bit – Well they change. They changed a bit But I’m just saying that you actually Whether it’s a prime time cable news, whether it’s talk radio, whether it’s gerrymandered districts, we have a political system that actually creates a false divide that’s not really there and we’re not being pollyannish We’re really not I mean most Americans know, you know we’ve, we’ve got to get, we’ve got to get good jobs back to this country We’ve gotta stop spending $2 billion a week in Afghanistan fighting an endless war We need to invest in education, R&D, infrastructure We have to take care of long term entitlement problems, whether it’s Medicare or Medicaid You can go on and on and on and on And yet Washington and a lot of political systems get in the way of that It is a false divide And that’s why these ideas are so potent If you can just break through the partisan gridlock, I think most Americans will endorse them – You can add something– – Well I just wanted to tell you that you know, I went through some of the same things when I was governor, where there were the threats from the Republican Party or the threats from the Democratic Party and all of this But we marched forward– – Mm-hmm – because I didn’t care if I fail And if I didn’t care if I failed with the initiatives, and as you know I wiped out in 2005 with all the initiatives It didn’t matter, because I come from the sports background In lifting, the only way you can go up with the lift is if you’re willing to risk that you fail The only way I know that I can lift more than 500 pounds is if I try 510 and fail And I did fail many, many times, but the next there was one time– – Do you think if I tried to lift 500 pounds– – 500? – I would fail? – Never. You’re perfect – I can– (laughter) – I think I can – No what I mean is its like everybody’s just scared of failing – Right – So what? I mean, this is why I mentioned earlier what happened in the Ukraine People died there, but look what they got – News story – They got their freedom back They were under the Presidential palace, they’re now sitting in a in a house where they vote and they make decisions now and they move forward, as long as the Russians don’t interfere – [Mika] Oh they’re going to – But, we don’t know (Joe laughing) But I mean that the fact of the matter is that’s what you need to do if you want to accomplish great things But you’re always afraid of failing you are not gonna be successful

I can tell you that any business leader, anyone out there can tell you that if you’re worried about failing or that maybe you’re not gonna make as much money as you planned or any of the You’re not gonna make it – Right – It’s as simple as that and definitely not in sports So this is why I say we have to be courageous We have to go out and do it If the Republican Party beat me up many times and they said, “Don’t work with Susan and don’t do this Don’t ever touch the environmental issues.” You know, and blah, blah Hey, what do I care? I mean, to me it was very clear that you’ve got to protect the environment You got to stay with the tradition of California And that’s why California is 40% more energy efficient than the rest of the country Because we always marched forward in the right direction and protected the environment, both for conservation and all of those things So of course I fought for that That’s what the people wanted You don’t look at it as a Republican philosophy, or as a Democratic philosophy It was the right thing for the people – True story Everyone at NBC told me not to work with Joe Literally, “Stay away from him. He’s a conservative–” – He’s smart – “Ugh, what’s the deal with him and don’t do it.” And I didn’t care, ’cause I saw a winner And there’s actually a point to what you both said about what to do about this Beyond voting, which everybody should do And it is incredible this right we have, I so agree with you But what you’re looking at here on stage are two visionaries What you did in this state and the fearlessness that you had to bring to the table in order to cut through some of the problems that most politicians can’t cut through And you know Joe, what’s wrong with the media? There’re not enough shows like ours He created this show He went into Phil with a big poster board, that’s our boss And this is when Don Imus cleared the decks and there were three hours to fill on MSNBC, lean left And he went in there and said, “Let’s do long interviews with interesting people and get really smart people in the show.” And I think Phil at that point said, “I don’t see any ratings there, but give it a try.” And our show happened because we took a chance Joe created a platform that you don’t see on television You see right, you see left or you see this mushy middle of, of failed, veiled objectivity on the networks in the morning That’s if they’re not doing bras for spring (audience laughter) And so it was a huge leap We had everything to lose, no job, no job. (laughs) And we didn’t care, but that’s what you have to be Number one, a visionary Number two, not afraid And number three, ready to fail When the Governor says vote, please vote absolutely But I would say run If you’re in this room, you’re interested in what we’re talking about and we need you not just voting We need you thinking about serving ‘Cause we have a very bad batch in Washington right now Because part of it there is the quality of the leaders in Washington And while we’re talking about visionaries, Herb is in the second row How many students do we have here? If you haven’t signed up for Obamacare yet, he’s gonna be waiting at the door – [Joe] Oh come on, seriously? (laughter) – Herb is in the purple glasses, stand up Herb – She can’t help herself – He’s here to explain it to you It’s so easy and you need to sign up – Hey Herb, why don’t you go back to Arizona, Herb? (audience applauds) – Okay? He’s gonna wait for you And it’s so easy– – (indistinct) don’t have to say anything – Oh my lord – [Susan] He’s gonna let you take the fall – It’s important that the young people sign up – [Susan] So you guys– – By the way while we’re talking to the audience, where’s the law school Dean? – I’m not afraid – Is the law school Dean here? All right, hey listen I tried to apply back in 1987 (audience laughing) It didn’t work – You made a terrible mistake – It didn’t work out. Could I reapply? I mean, I went to Florida Law School it’s okay, but it ain’t USC – You need health care everybody – So you all are raising something that is kind of dancing around the issue of leadership – Right – If you change the structure of the electoral process as we did We did the open primary and the redistricting reform that should at least change the math that affects how people campaign But what happened I mean, how important is it that you have leaders that are willing to use the political process, use gridlock in order to break through it? – The governor said something outside when we were talking forward reception Unfortunately I went to University of Alabama undergrad, – No, too bad – So I don’t remember exactly what he said – [Mika] Can’t even remember anything, don’t even know how to count there – We’re not good at math at Alabama But we don’t have to be ’cause most years we only have to count the number one Role tag anyway (audience laughing) But the governor said something that really struck a chord with me And that was that, “Political courage actually isn’t risky.” I’m not exactly sure how you said it – It’s not political suicide – It’s not political suicide I would even say showing political courage just in a calculated sort of way, isn’t even courageous ‘Cause people hunger for courage so much that it always pays off

I go back over my political career The only times I ever got in trouble was when I sat there and tried to calculate like Frank Underwood I did it like once or twice and it blew up in my face, when I did what I knew what was right Even when people disagreed with me, they would see me in the airports and they go, “I think you’re crazy, but I know I know you’re fighting for us and you believe in what you’re doing and I’m voting for you ‘Cause I know that your heart’s in the right place.” People see that and they’re so hungry for that sort of leadership now, especially in Washington ‘Cause everybody seems to be scared of their own shadow – That’s right – Speaker Boehner tried to negotiate with the Obama administration not long ago and Eric Cantor and his lieutenants cut his legs out from under him So the leader tries to cooperate, tries to compromise, tries to work with the leadership and his own lieutenants cut So what went wrong there– – Well I mean, whose in charge? It’s just like when the Republican leaders went to the Governor and said he shouldn’t hire you, the Governor had two responses He could have been nilly mouthed or he could have said, “Hey guess what? Last time I checked, the Governor picks their chief of staff Why don’t you guys go out and have a nice cocktail party on a country club golf course and I’ll do my job.” You know John Boehner, and I’ve been saying it for several years John’s got a decision to make, either be Speaker of the House and he runs the house or he moves like to Monterey and he golfs at Pebble beach for the rest of his life And I’m dead serious Why would you want to be Speaker of the House, if you’re afraid of your lieutenants? If you’re afraid of your own shadow And what John Boehner would find is what we’re talking about Show that political courage and say, “Hey guys, you voted me in your speaker I’m not going to shut down the government I’m not going to let you guys kill yourself I’m not gonna you know You’ve put your hands on the hot stove enough And if you don’t like that vote me out I’ll be glad to have a press conference You know, and I’ll be glad to tell them why I’m leaving.” – So let’s switch to when George Bush II was in office That was arguably one of the most hyper-partisan atmospheres in history I mean the election was, he lost the popular vote, he barely eked out a victory in 2004, the Senate’s divided 50 50, loses both houses to the Democrats And yet during that time, “No Child Left Behind,” “Medicare Part D” among those sweeping social legislation passed since 1965 Bush’s tax cuts in 2001, 2003, 2004 Together the largest tax cuts in American history The McCain-Feingold, Sarbanes-Oxley, biggest reforms in decades Some of them over the stiff opposition of Republicans How did he do that? – By the way and my favorite, “The surge.” When he decided to go for “The Surge” in December of ’06 His approval ratings were what 25%? I saw an LA times poll that had 78% of Americans were against “The Surge” I’m not a… You know I as a conservative– – [Susan] How did he do that and President Obama can’t work with this Congress? – I had a lot of problems with George W. Bush, but you know what? George W. Bush, he did it anyway I was talking to Nicolle Wallace, who I don’t know if I should say this, Nicolle a good Californian But Nicolle told me last week, she said, “I know you got problems with George Bush.” She said, “But let me tell you why you’d love him Because if he met Keith Olbermann tomorrow,” you know ’cause Keith just killed Bush every night He’d tell him to go, “I loved you on sports center.” (imitates slaughter) “How’s Dave Patrick?” ‘Cause he had no idea who Keith Olbermann was – Very true– – other than Like he didn’t watch prime time I’d tell you Barrack Obama can say what Barack Obama wants to say in the White House They’re obsessed with that stuff And I’m still trying to figure out how George W. Bush got done, what George W. Bush got done And again not a big fan, a lot of the stuff he did Barack Obama had like 59 senators and a majority in 09 and 10 And has had a lot more of an advantage than George W. Bush What have we got done? – What? Is this a tactical issue? Is it a personality issue? What are the differences between those two administrations and their ability to get things done in a Congress where they don’t have a majority? – Oh I don’t want to sound partisan, but I guess I can ’cause I get it, I’m not a huge fan of what George W. Bush did over eight years But Barack Obama is an amateur He doesn’t know how to work Washington He doesn’t know And by the way, all of these Republican freshmen senators that think they’re ready to be President of the United States that just got to Washington DC Whether you’re talking about Marco who I like, or Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, these guys are all amateurs too They’re not ready for prime time – [Mika] I think she’s recording you and it’s going to be played back on YouTube – [Susan] I would never know – But the thing is you know, we went in and we spoke with the President

for about an hour, hour and a half– – Oh God – Before the election – That was off the record, do you know what that means? – Yeah, it means that Okay so we were talking– – It was private – to this guy in Washington and Mika asked him, “Why don’t you have more Republicans and their families over to your house.” – You share your conversations – This guy lives in a big house “To your house-” – (laughing) This guy – “And do what they used to do in Washington?” He said, “Well you know, I don’t need to socialize and really I work till six o’clock and then I go upstairs and hang out with my kids.” – So- – Really? – [Arnold] Well (indistinct) – I mean, you gotta work it man (Arnold clears his throat) You gotta work it – Oh yeah, you’re absolutely He’s absolutely right because, relationships are so important And I remember the legislative leaders in and we flew around with the jet, we took them to Washington to our meetings, to the Governor’s meeting Meet with the legislators back there to get more Federal money for our state And all of this stuff. We had them over at the house at the Christmas parties, the smoking tent I remember even when Tony Blair was in town talking to me about the environment, because we wanted to do carbon trade and reducing our greenhouse gases And they’ve done it successfully in Europe And I took a Speaker Nunez with me, even though he wasn’t even invited to that meeting I took him. He was a Democrat He was the Democratic leader because I knew that I needed to go and work with him to get the environmental, you know agenda all accomplished To go and reduce the tailpipe emissions, to have the “Million Solar Roofs Initiative.” To have the “Green Building Initiative.” To reduce our greenhouse gases by 25% by the year 2020 And all of those kind of things, I needed him– – So relationships, relationships. Relationships – I needed him Exactly – Yeah – And so therefore I took him to the meeting, he appreciated it tremendously He learned a lot about the history of the carbon trade the way it works in Europe, the mistakes they’ve made, the good side of it And this is how we crafted together the legislation And it’s all about relationships John Burton, I used to hang out with him We talked about, he was a big fan of Austria and Germany, and traveled around those countries, right after the second world war And you know, read all the books over there, knew the authors of the He was a big fan of the music from over there, everything He just loved all that So I worked with him and I hung out with him You need to build relationships This is extremely important And today everything is done on the internet and everyone is texting and everything There is no more personal kind of relationships Legislators go and leave Washington And Thursday afternoon, they are gone So they’re not hanging out together anymore like in the old days It’s one of the biggest complaints back there – Yeah. And that makes a huge difference in Washington where on the weekends, families used to hang out together Kids would go to school with each other instead of back in the districts And that made a huge difference But you know, you’ll have a lot of people now that will be very cynical about relationships actually mattering I go back to the Reagan Biography that Richard Reeves wrote He said, after the Beirut bombing in 1983 Reagan said it was a low point of his presidency The worst day of his presidency Tip O’Neill called Democrats all together when the word spread that Sunday morning, I’m sure a lot of people remember it And all the Democrats went in and they thought that Tip O’Neill was gonna be telling them strategy about how to talk as a unified Democratic caucus They all get in front of him And O’Neill said, “Today we’re not Democrats Today we’re Americans And if any of you have anything to say about our Commander in Chief without passing it by me first, you won’t have Ronnie Reagan to answer to, you’ll have Tip O’Neill to answer to And you don’t wanna have me to answer to.” And Richard Reeves wrote that, sure enough the Democrats held their tongue, the nation mourned We had a unified front to our enemies that had killed over 240 Marines And a couple of weeks later Tip and Reagan got on the phone, said, “Okay we’re ready Let’s have the debate.” And they moved forward and they had the debate That would have never happened if they didn’t have the type of relationship that the Governor’s talking about And all these people who think that it doesn’t matter, that you’ve got a President that’s constantly working, House members and Senate members, just doesn’t know how Washington works Business doesn’t work that way Academia doesn’t work that way – No absolutely not But let me tell you, there’s one guy that had the huge challenge and it was you know our Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, Because he was a Democrat, but in order to make the City of Los Angeles successful, he had to work with Republicans and especially with the business community Do you want to share a little bit of that challenge that you had? – Let me thank you Governor

We did have a great relationship, we worked together on you know, a broad range of issues And this is the second time I’ve actually attended something like this You, me and Bloomberg at Getty house, what six years ago? Did beyond partisanship if you remember – Mm-hmm – And I think both of us in our respective roles as chief executives had just gotten tired of the ideologues frankly And actually, I think that Joe said something about the country and I think that’s true There’s a big middle in the country where there’s not a big divide, but the parties ideologically, the divide is bigger than- – Oh yeah – any time I can remember And it’s part of why it is so gridlocked and the like, and it’s hyper partisan because of that One of the reasons for your success is you were a centrist I mean, you were center right, but you were a centrist And there were Democrats who were willing to move the ball ahead You know, those of us who played a little ball, know you’re four yards and you’re Alabama, right? – [Joe] Right – Four – [Joe] All right, sometimes seven, eight – Yeah – 12, 15 – But you know, and then you get a first down and then you get a touchdown And there’s this notion today that somehow that incremental change is a bad word And you were very focused on you know, getting a half a loaf And that was the key I think, to your success And in my own city, I mean we had to take on things like pension reform ‘Cause I wasn’t gonna go bankrupt And we challenged our employees We challenged the issue of seniority and tenure in education So you know, I think part of our problem today is that it’s very broken on the right and I think a little more broken on the right, but broken on the left too The courage that you spoke about neither party leaders in both parties are unwilling to challenge their own constituencies, unwilling to say, “Hey, there’s a middle ground here.” I mean, look at what was it? Six years ago, you all tried to do universal healthcare and the left, I love them They’re good friends They wanted a single pair And they killed your Bill, which would have been a great bill for California, six years before Obamacare But they let the perfect get in the way of the good So there’s too much of that going on I think You and I as chief executives in the time that we, you know we had to I tell people, you get radicalized when you have to sign the check on the front, not just the back You know it’s easy to sign it on the back You realize you have to balance a budget You know, a little difference between the State and you guys used to balance your budget on us – [Joe] Oh, here we go (laughter) Here we go – But that was Democrat and Republican, by the way – Hey. Hey, get over here and take the mic fast or you’re fired (audience laughing) – So- – He’s right (laughter continues) – No he was all right, I used to be speaker of the assembly too So finally, let me just say this I think there are I wanna get to a question because I think there are areas where we should be able to work And you mentioned some of them Joe Infrastructure and transportation I mean like those weren’t partisan issues before, they used to have like an automatic vote Democrat and Republican, to pass the Surface Transportation Bill – [Joe] Right – You know, education? I mean look folks, we’re not competing with the developing world When you look at the issue of education, that ought to be an area where there’s bipartisan support I mean you know– – Well and there is And that huge divide, whether you talk about education or are you’re talking about R&D, or you talk about infrastructure And let me tell you, we’re talking about energy here Guess what, the President’s right, it’s an all of the above approach on energy There are a lot of people on the left that aren’t gonna love the energy revolution that’s coming, that’s gonna revitalize America’s manufacturing base and do extraordinary things But guess what? There aren’t a lot of people in the right that are gonna see us using a lot of that money to actually invest in clean energy – That’s right – And God let’s hope a clean nationwide grid I mean the thing is most of Americans really are between the You know, the 80 yards between the 20 yard lines on both sides, as we continue to torture football metaphors here – And as an example- – Yeah – You know, when I took LA we signed agreements to get completely off of coal by 2025 It’s gonna be the only American city completely off of coal by 2025, signed the agreements The first question from some of my friends on the left was, “What are you gonna to replace it with?”

Well we’re expanding renewables We’re going to be at 35 to 40% by 2025 But we also fracking to get for natural gas And the left you know, attacked us because they said, “You’re fracking.” There’s an unwillingness to find a middle ground And that’s a perfect example of a middle ground You know, Canada’s been fracking for how many decades? And have done it fairly successfully So I just want to thank you, Governor We did work well together I think we do need to have this conversation I think there was an impact on both initiatives in terms of, you know, moderating the center if you will You’re seeing more and more Republicans in California now finding supportive immigration reform That’s like I mean that was something that you never would have seen You’re seeing Democrats who are supporting pro business legislation and the balancing of the budget So I think that it did have a positive effect, I do think we need to drive more of that And I think the issue of courage and the willingness to stand up to your own party and your own interests is something we also need – [Joe] Can I ask you guys a quick question? – Thank you (audience applauds) – The mayor brought it up talking about the changes that what you all did, has done You know from the outside, you read the headlines and there’s a super majority in California now of Democrats, and you would expect a super majority of Democrats do what super majorities of Democrats always do, spend way too much money and tax way too much But there’s this moderating impact actually, like the reforms are leading to more moderate pro-business Democrats Why is that? – Well because of the redistricting reform- – [Susan] And the open primaries – And the open primaries – And the open primaries – In combination – Because you have to now, you have to now go and answer to both, the Democrats and Republicans And you’re absolutely correct, and I think the mayor pointed it out that the Democrats now have come to the center, even though there are no Republicans now that could be in their way They have come to the center because when they go back to their district, they have to answer to Democrats and Republicans – And republicans, yeah – And so what has happened is that out of for instance 42 of job killing bills, that the chamber has pointed out as job killing bills, they actually only voted for one Which was to raise the minimum wage, and everything else they killed Democrats. It would have never, ever happened five years ago – Wow – So this is just to show to you the changes that happen And as the mayor has pointed out, that with immigration reform, I mean the Republicans were vividly against that, any immigration reform But all of a sudden they voted for immigration reform, because again they had to answer to more Democrats and because of the redistricting and because of open primaries So that is why I think this is so important to create this reforms And that’s why I’m so happy that afterwards we have a panel discussion with the good government advocate groups and the political groups that they’re really fighting for that That they’re very passionate about this, because we can do something like that nationwide – [Joe] Yeah – (indistinct) to answer yours, and then we’re gonna start taking questions But the In one budget negotiation, the leaders were at the table, the Democrats had made commitments on some things to close the budget deal And then during the two weeks while we were still negotiating, the AFLCIO had come up and taken members of the Democratic Caucus over at the Sheraton Hotel across from the Capitol and took them in one at a time and said, “If you vote for any of these measures, we’re going to run a primary candidate against you.” And lo and behold we came back into negotiations and the speaker of the assembly at the time said, “I don’t have the votes to…” And the Republicans went crazy going, “You’re taking back the deal you made.” He said, “I don’t have the votes. I can’t I’ve lost the votes to do it.” The closed primary allowed the special interest to come in and say, “I’m gonna run a primary candidate against you.” And they literally walked They would rather risk the wrath of their own leadership, than they could survive a primary challenge – Right – When we had Every budget deal that we did, where you have to get Republicans to vote for something where that might threaten them We’re, “Who do you go to?” You went to the districts that were close enough together, where they had to worry about running against a Democrat in the General Election Those are the only Republicans that you could get to even think about crossing party I mean– – [Joe] And that’s totally changed now – With the open primary– – And the top too – The top two, the jungle primary they call it Now the math changes Because now you don’t have the protection of a closed primary system Somebody can come from your right or your left and put together a coalition of voters that includes the moderates in your party, the independents and some of the other party– – That’s correct – And that’s what has changed the political math in California – [Joe] Wow, that’s exciting

– Question – Hi I watch your show every morning, I DVR it – Oh God, I was gonna say – My sister and I watch it every morning, we’re big fans And we wonder every morning why there aren’t more shows like yours? What are those barriers that we’re facing now? Seeing that there is the success that you guys enjoy now? – Yeah, I don’t know because to tell you the truth before we came on, we had nobody in the 10 year history of our network had ever beaten CNN or headline news in the morning in the demo or overall We now overall almost double CNN, and we make lots and lots and lots of money for NBC So I don’t really know why more haven’t followed, but – Well there are more, but it’s much harder than it looks And CBS has They wanted us, but they made one And it’s pretty good There are other cable shows that they’re trying to put people together and you know, make it work But it’s much harder than it looks It’s a lot of nuance, a lot of understanding the political system or TV or journalism to the point where you know what to say and what not to say And actually there’ve been a lot of slip ups made by hosts Because they don’t don’t understand the invisible guardrails And it’s harder than it looks They have tried – In all that though, Mika and I go out and we say what we believe I say, “I’ll talk–” – You also have to have people who know what they believe – I’ll talk about my views and I’ll get beat up by five liberals around the table and we’ll all have a lot of fun Mika will go out and she doesn’t play quote journalist – No – She actually tells people what she thinks And that works, because people know where we’re coming from I think a lot of other people quite frankly, are too busy playing TV and posing – It’s, what that’s what TV is about – And pretending that they’re objective journalists, none of us are objective Seriously, if you’ve got somebody that’s a journalist during, let’s say the Iraq war or 12 years in Afghanistan, and they don’t have opinion on that? – I don’t wanna to watch them? – You probably don’t You probably not only don’t wanna watch them deliver the news, you probably wouldn’t want them to operate a blender in your house (audience laughing) Cause they would be so stupid and not I mean it’s just They’re still playing TV (indistinct) but thank you for watching – Okay, shorter. Shorter answers – I have a three hour talk show, what do you expect? – Okay, we got to get a lot of people – Okay, we’ll go faster – Hi, my name’s Nathaniel House I have a question, on “Meet the Press” a few years or a couple of years ago, you said that the Republicans would not have maintained their majority in the house in 2012, had it not been for the gerrymandering of districts – [Joe] Right – So my question for the panel is, if the nation had adopted the same redistricting reforms that California had adopted, how do you think those races would have been different? And do you think that it would have had an influence on the majority that the Republicans were able to maintain? – [Susan] Mika? Yeah you’re doing a little product placement here– – [Mika] I was – [Susan] Or you have someplace to be? – I was taking a picture of the chairs while he spoke, ’cause I noticed– – Mika is very excited If you watch the show, you know that she’s very irritated with Apple since Steve Jobs passed away – Okay first of all, how many of you have an iPhone? You really shouldn’t – We all have iPhones – Anyhow, back to his important question – But now Mika has this Samsung thing that you can like It’s like Dick Tracy– – It’s amazing, I just took a picture of all of you – Talking to the watch all this other stuff No, listen there’s no doubt about it The seats have been chopped up in the house in such a way that it allowed Republicans to stay in power, despite the fact they didn’t get 50% of the vote But if you could implement the reforms that you all have passed in California, we wouldn’t just be talking about 51 versus 49 We would be talking about changing the entire way Washington works because just like you said, I mean so many people just focused on their primary fight and anybody that’s ever run politics before knows Say you got a 100% of the people, maybe 70% of them vote, of those 70% that vote maybe a third of them are Republicans, and 15% of them vote in every primary And by the time you get whittled down, it’s the extremes And so yeah these sorts of reforms make a huge difference – But the idea of the reforms was not to favor the Democrats or to favor the Republicans The idea was that the same amount go to Washington, same amount of Democrats, same amount of Republicans, but different types of candidates Candidates that are more in the center, that are willing to sit down with the other party and say, “Let’s go to work and let’s fix this problem We have a serious problem In the last five years, our debt went up $7 trillion

There’s a problem And we are adding another trillion this next year or the next two years. So let’s stop that Let’s figure out a way of how to stop the deficit and how to stop the debt from increasing. What can we do?” This is not existing now You know, it’s just like a fixing Putting a bandaid over over it and hope that they can get through this year to the election time, so that everyone has their own little game going But to fix the problem and to really do something that’s good for the country, doesn’t exist – [Mika] Right? – And so this is what I’m talking about Those reforms will bring people more to the center and therefore more things will get done – And by the way, if Republicans pull their head out of the sand, they’ll start winning in California again – That could easily be (laughs) – [Mika] Yeah, yeah, we know where their head was (audience laughing) – They will – You don’t know about the California Republicans (laughter) – No, no. (indistinct) – I’ve gotten to know them by the way (laughter continues) – Yeah, all right – [Susan] Okay, rapid fire – Okay, my name’s Keyshva Snyder and I’d first like to thank you for this enlightening discussion I’d like to bring this back to the title of the discussion “Is There an End in Sight?” Because we’ve heard a lot about the problems that there are and what causes the problems But do you see a solution to those problems or an end to these problems and the lack of respect in DC? – Yeah, it’s market driven When you have politicians, at some point, somebody is gonna run for President Or you’re gonna have a lot of people starting to run for Senator, and say, “Hey wait a second, I’m not gonna have my quote Bull worth moment I’m gonna have my Bull worth campaign I’m gonna to tell my, I’m gonna tell people what I think I’m gonna tell senior citizens that Medicare will not be solvent in 10 to 15 years, if we keep spending at the rate that we’re spending I’m going to tell Go on military bases and I’m gonna tell them, we’re gonna have to cut the defense budget, because the United States of America doesn’t have to spend more money than every other country on the planet on defense I’m going to go to Wall Street and I’m gonna tell hedge fund people that it’s immoral that they’re paying 14% taxes when their secretaries are paying 28, 29% taxes.” And when you have Republicans doing that, do you know what will happen? – What? – They’ll win Republican primaries And when you have Democrats actually challenging their special interests and say, “Hey, you know what? We spend more money than any country on the planet in K through 12 per pupil Don’t come and ask us for more money until you and the teacher unions start rewarding success and start punishing failure.” Do you know what would’ve happened, if a Democrat did that in a Democratic primary? – I don’t know – They’d win (audience laughs) Courage wins, it’s contagious It really is And at some point this is market driven People are gonna figure that out when they stop fearing their own shadow I think some pretty amazing things are gonna happen and I’m not being pollyannish, I think it is gonna happen – I totally agree with you – In your book, “The Right Path,” you said that Super PACS and extremists are pushing the Republican Party off a clip, off a cliff In the 60’s, the conservatives actually pushed back against George Wallace, Ann Ran and the John Birch society In your opinion, who are the George Wallace’s Ann Ram’s and John Birch Society that you feel conservative should push back against today? – Well I think they’re I think they’re pushing back against them now I think it’s the Mark Levine’s, I think it’s other people the blogosphere, political blogosphere that are extremist voices that get rewarded for taking the most extreme positions possible And I think you’re starting to see especially after the government shut down, there are a couple of senators in my party, that I may actually contribute to because I wanna keep them there because they blow themselves up and (laughs) they actually have done more to help the Republican party move back to the center than any mainstream Republican could’ve – [Mika] (sighs) That’s f’d up – No. No. I think we have figured out in Washington, I don’t know about Sacramento, that what we’ve been doing has cost us to lose five out of the last six Presidential elections in the popular vote I think that’s happening again – [Nathaniel] Can I quickly follow up with you guys? What are you and Mika think about and feel about the Tea Party – Mika? – (laughs) How many of you would like to see Elizabeth Warren run for President? – Oh, good Lord – See, that’s how I feel. That’s good – Okay – See? Isn’t that amazing Joe. What you just– Susan? – You know, there are a lot of positives things from me about the Tea Party as a small government conservative

But there’s a lot, a lot that was taken to an extreme And again, a lot of this goes to rank amateurs coming to Washington DC and not realizing that you get a half a loaf You know, that’s better than nothing Ronald Reagan’s always misquoted You know just because I’m your friend 80% of the time, doesn’t make me your enemy 20% of the time Ronald Reagan never said that, what Reagan said is, “I’ll take my 80% now, I’ll come back and try and get the 20% later.” A lot of people in the Tea Party didn’t figure that out A lot of people in the Tea Party didn’t listen to people like me, Charles Krauthammer, Scott Walker that said, “Don’t shut down the govern…” It was like a slow motion train accident, shutting down, you know the government And they didn’t listen They’re listening now – [Susan] Couple more – You don’t think so – [Susan] then we’re gonna wrap up Over here – Hi. So I completely understand what you’re saying about you know, don’t be afraid of failure and all of this And I understand that you really do have kind of this idealistic view that things can change in the next couple of years, but as a graduating senior this year and along with my fellow peers here today, what advice would you give to us kind of the next generation of politicians or leaders or business people in terms of ending this gridlock? – [Susan] Voters – You’re asking whom? – Yes. Any of you – Vote and run – Get involved with campaigns you believe in, get involved – Yeah, I think I said that in my speech I think, the most important thing is to fight for what you believe in But never give up, get involved in public service, go and run for office – [Mika] Please – Be out there and create the change rather than sitting there in front of the television and just complaining about what’s going on I mean, too many people do that I think to get up and to actually create action and to do something about it, that is what we need to do, and that’s what you kids or you students need to do – You’re not gonna run in the next couple of years, get involved in campaigns and see what works, see what doesn’t work And see how far you– – [Mika] That’s great advice – [Susan] We have time for a few more? – You said such wonderful things about the necessity of voting and about young people not participating that it isn’t because they’re lazy And I totally agree with that A lot of times as a voter, what I see on a ballot is exactly what you said I have the choice between people who are going to run to their corners That does make me feel powerless, even as a voter – [Mika] (sighs) That’s terrible – What more can I do and can anybody do, to create a better situation? And I know some of it you covered there, but voting alone right now to a lot of people, I would never not do it It’s a right that I value so much, but it feels more limited now than it has in other times in my life – Get involved in initiatives that do exactly what they’re talking about doing right here I’m telling you end gerrymandering The system that that takes place across the country right now What 24 States you think? – mm-hmm – They’re ballot initiatives? – That’s right – Well I give you an example I went up to Sacramento several times and asked the legislature to give us more money for afterschool programs Because more and more kids come from families that where both of the parents are working So now it’s like 70% of the families where both of the parents of working and the kids are now in the afternoon, out there by themselves, there’s no one there helping them with tutoring, with homework assistance or with sports programs They get into problems in the dangerous zones of which they always call the danger zone, where kids get involved in juvenile crime and teenage pregnancy and all these things So, we can do better than that The legislators wouldn’t listen because of course the kids don’t have a lobbyist up there, right? So nothing happened So eventually I gathered the signatures and I took it to the ballot And it cost me a lot of money personally, and I also raised a lot of money, because $13 million to put it in the ballot and to actually bring it to victory 57% of the people voted yes on that And California got $428 million a year extra money for afterschool programs Which is now over $550 million So I mean, it’s great, great things have happened because of that Because I didn’t wait for the legislature I didn’t wait and just sit around and say, “Goddammit, they don’t do anything. I’m so frustrated No matter how many times you go to the polls, nothing happens in public.” No, I did something about it

And so when you’re passionate about something, you can create change I remember at USC at one of Nancy’s Stout’s classes, the kids literally fought the City of Los Angeles with the murals because they all of a sudden forbid, because they call it graffiti They said, “No more painting on any public buildings or any public properties and blah, blah, blah.” and all those things, And for 10 years you couldn’t see any new murals But it was USC students, two of them They went out and did all the research in the world and went with all this knowledge, met with the Planning Commission and with the City Hall, with the city officials and with everybody, and eventually got the law changed After 10 years – [Joe] Wow – Now, there you’ll see murals again, you know, and appearing and painters go out and paint and do all this stuff So it just shows you that if you get involved and if you’re passionate about something, then you would do it And I can do I mean I’ve been involved with the Fitness Crusade for the last 45 years, but people say, “If you start working out, you’re gonna get stupid and gay and ended as a narcissist and it will be terrible for your health – [Joe] That’s why I don’t work out – Exactly. Terrible for your health but, now 45 years later, every hotel has a fitness room, has a gymnasium – [Mika] That’s right – Every sports team- – I stay away from them – You need to check one out Joe – Every athlete is using weight resistance training So the Fitness Crusade worked If you feel passionate about something, you will continue fighting and fighting and fighting until you get your way And that’s what you have to do, rather than just go out and vote That’s one great privilege, but we have so many other great privileges And I think this is what makes this country so great, that we have that freedom to do those things – And you may not be able to, to to make as big of a differences as the governor did in this initiative But you know what, you know, find something that you’re passionate about that you believe in And you know, Bobby Kennedy gave a great speech in Cape town in 1966, talking about, how a million different individuals creating different energy sources from a million different places, you know, could rise up and actually bend history itself But a lot of that has to do with, You know, get a sacrifice yourself and maybe it’s not money, but maybe it’s sweat equity – [Mika] You’re a woman run for office We’re more practical anyway – Yeah, run for office It’s kinda of like the University of Alabama, you know we– – We need more women – We give till it hurts – Be one of our choices – We actually took Lane Kiffin off your hands. So (audience laughing) – [Susan] All right. Thank you very much I think– – Is that it? – I think we have time for more or– (indistinct) – Okay – Okay – All right, thank you– – Thank you very much very much everybody – Thank you guys (all applause)